1 00:00:07,091 --> 00:00:10,261 [mid-temp rock 2 00:00:07,091 --> 00:00:10,261 instrumental playing] 3 00:00:13,431 --> 00:00:14,599 [clicks] 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,059 [static crackling] 5 00:01:01,061 --> 00:01:02,647 -[clicks] 6 00:01:01,061 --> 00:01:02,647 -[static crackling] 7 00:01:10,696 --> 00:01:12,698 [static crackling] 8 00:01:12,740 --> 00:01:15,075 [rock music ending] 9 00:01:20,623 --> 00:01:24,877 [Man] 10 00:01:20,623 --> 00:01:24,877 We're on the set of Lisa Ann's 11 00:01:20,623 --> 00:01:24,877 "Big Titted Cougars." 12 00:01:24,919 --> 00:01:28,881 Whew. Shocker that I would 13 00:01:24,919 --> 00:01:28,881 be in a cougar movie. 14 00:01:28,923 --> 00:01:31,425 [Man] 15 00:01:28,923 --> 00:01:31,425 What's the difference with 16 00:01:28,923 --> 00:01:31,425 a cougar and a MILF? 17 00:01:31,467 --> 00:01:34,345 My take is, 18 00:01:31,467 --> 00:01:34,345 a cougar and a MILF: 19 00:01:34,386 --> 00:01:37,181 MILF is supposed to be 20 00:01:34,386 --> 00:01:37,181 a "mom that I'd like to fuck." 21 00:01:37,222 --> 00:01:39,183 So I think that would 22 00:01:37,222 --> 00:01:39,183 make you a mom, right? 23 00:01:39,224 --> 00:01:42,311 I think a cougar is 24 00:01:39,224 --> 00:01:42,311 the same older seductress, 25 00:01:42,353 --> 00:01:43,771 but with no kids. 26 00:01:43,813 --> 00:01:45,397 So I'm glad to say 27 00:01:43,813 --> 00:01:45,397 I'm a cougar, 28 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:48,860 or I'm a MILF with no kids, 29 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:48,860 whatever you prefer. 30 00:01:48,901 --> 00:01:51,111 [Lisa Ann] 31 00:01:48,901 --> 00:01:51,111 I feel like if you can't 32 00:01:48,901 --> 00:01:51,111 succeed in porn, 33 00:01:51,153 --> 00:01:53,739 you kind of can't 34 00:01:51,153 --> 00:01:53,739 succeed anywhere. 35 00:01:53,781 --> 00:01:55,783 'Cause it's really 36 00:01:53,781 --> 00:01:55,783 not that difficult. 37 00:01:55,825 --> 00:01:58,703 It's a skill we all have. 38 00:01:55,825 --> 00:01:58,703 You're fucking for a living. 39 00:01:58,744 --> 00:02:00,287 People are like, 40 00:01:58,744 --> 00:02:00,287 "How are you the best?" 41 00:02:00,329 --> 00:02:04,124 Like, um, "I showed up 42 00:02:00,329 --> 00:02:04,124 on time every time." 43 00:02:04,166 --> 00:02:06,836 It's pretty hard 44 00:02:04,166 --> 00:02:06,836 to fail out of porn, 45 00:02:06,878 --> 00:02:09,463 but it seems like 46 00:02:06,878 --> 00:02:09,463 everybody does it. 47 00:02:09,505 --> 00:02:11,757 My last goal 48 00:02:09,505 --> 00:02:11,757 in my retirement letter 49 00:02:11,799 --> 00:02:12,967 was to write this book, 50 00:02:13,009 --> 00:02:14,969 and it'll be 51 00:02:13,009 --> 00:02:14,969 one year on Tuesday. 52 00:02:15,011 --> 00:02:17,304 So I did reach 53 00:02:15,011 --> 00:02:17,304 all of my goals. 54 00:02:17,346 --> 00:02:18,514 This is it. 55 00:02:18,556 --> 00:02:21,266 This is so exciting. 56 00:02:21,308 --> 00:02:24,896 Whoa. Okay. 57 00:02:24,937 --> 00:02:26,397 I don't want to hurt anything. 58 00:02:26,438 --> 00:02:28,816 I'm gonna open it 59 00:02:26,438 --> 00:02:28,816 very carefully. 60 00:02:28,858 --> 00:02:32,820 Now, everyone, this is 61 00:02:28,858 --> 00:02:32,820 so fucking dope. 62 00:02:32,862 --> 00:02:34,488 [gasps] 63 00:02:34,530 --> 00:02:36,115 Oh, look. 64 00:02:38,617 --> 00:02:39,744 Oh! 65 00:02:42,413 --> 00:02:44,456 My first two years 66 00:02:42,413 --> 00:02:44,456 I was under contract 67 00:02:44,498 --> 00:02:46,542 with a company called 68 00:02:44,498 --> 00:02:46,542 Metro Home Video. 69 00:02:46,584 --> 00:02:49,253 And being under contract 70 00:02:46,584 --> 00:02:49,253 was an ideal situation for me 71 00:02:49,294 --> 00:02:50,671 because I wanted 72 00:02:49,294 --> 00:02:50,671 to feature dance. 73 00:02:50,713 --> 00:02:52,924 Back then, when you were 74 00:02:50,713 --> 00:02:52,924 the contract star, 75 00:02:52,965 --> 00:02:55,927 they made these glamorous 76 00:02:52,965 --> 00:02:55,927 posters and fliers for you, 77 00:02:55,968 --> 00:02:57,720 and they gave you 78 00:02:55,968 --> 00:02:57,720 as many as you wanted 79 00:02:57,762 --> 00:03:00,098 to go out on the road 80 00:02:57,762 --> 00:03:00,098 and use as marketing materials. 81 00:03:00,139 --> 00:03:02,182 You know, in the '90's 82 00:03:00,139 --> 00:03:02,182 when I started shooting, 83 00:03:02,224 --> 00:03:05,352 I was unaware 84 00:03:02,224 --> 00:03:05,352 that all of the movies 85 00:03:02,224 --> 00:03:05,352 a contract girl shoots 86 00:03:05,394 --> 00:03:07,479 are sold to cable, 87 00:03:05,394 --> 00:03:07,479 and cable was still 88 00:03:07,521 --> 00:03:09,565 a very big place where 89 00:03:07,521 --> 00:03:09,565 these companies made money. 90 00:03:09,607 --> 00:03:11,400 Cable didn't buy interracial. 91 00:03:11,442 --> 00:03:14,987 So I was unable 92 00:03:11,442 --> 00:03:14,987 to do interracial 93 00:03:11,442 --> 00:03:14,987 when I was under contract. 94 00:03:15,029 --> 00:03:16,530 People were telling me 95 00:03:15,029 --> 00:03:16,530 all day long, like, 96 00:03:16,572 --> 00:03:19,033 "If you do interracial, 97 00:03:16,572 --> 00:03:19,033 it's going to ruin your career. 98 00:03:19,075 --> 00:03:20,952 "No one's going to hire you 99 00:03:19,075 --> 00:03:20,952 as a feature dancer. 100 00:03:20,993 --> 00:03:22,453 You're going 101 00:03:20,993 --> 00:03:22,453 to make less money." 102 00:03:22,494 --> 00:03:25,998 I don't really think we should 103 00:03:22,494 --> 00:03:25,998 be choosing color of skin 104 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,085 because we should be showing 105 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,085 everyone the sexual experiences 106 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,085 that we are having, 107 00:03:29,127 --> 00:03:31,754 and, of course, if there's 108 00:03:29,127 --> 00:03:31,754 couples that are interracial, 109 00:03:31,796 --> 00:03:33,631 they might want 110 00:03:31,796 --> 00:03:33,631 to watch interracial porn. 111 00:03:33,672 --> 00:03:36,175 And for you to not put that 112 00:03:33,672 --> 00:03:36,175 out for them, and they're 113 00:03:33,672 --> 00:03:36,175 a fan of yours, 114 00:03:36,216 --> 00:03:38,094 now they have 115 00:03:36,216 --> 00:03:38,094 an opinion to form. 116 00:03:38,136 --> 00:03:41,973 It's a mainly-- It's, of course, 117 00:03:38,136 --> 00:03:41,973 a mainly white business, 118 00:03:42,014 --> 00:03:44,642 all the company owners 119 00:03:42,014 --> 00:03:44,642 and the agents, 120 00:03:44,683 --> 00:03:47,061 and they all are 121 00:03:44,683 --> 00:03:47,061 secretly racist. 122 00:03:47,103 --> 00:03:49,396 So they all tell these girls 123 00:03:47,103 --> 00:03:49,396 not to do this. 124 00:03:49,438 --> 00:03:51,149 And then I'm the one 125 00:03:49,438 --> 00:03:51,149 telling these girls, 126 00:03:51,190 --> 00:03:53,525 "I've done more interracial than 127 00:03:51,190 --> 00:03:53,525 regular scenes, and I'm good." 128 00:03:53,567 --> 00:03:56,320 But it's a fear factor 129 00:03:53,567 --> 00:03:56,320 for a young girl, 130 00:03:56,361 --> 00:03:59,157 and of course, when you look up 131 00:03:56,361 --> 00:03:59,157 to your agent, he's been 132 00:03:56,361 --> 00:03:59,157 teaching you things, 133 00:03:59,198 --> 00:04:00,699 you're gonna 134 00:03:59,198 --> 00:04:00,699 believe what he says. 135 00:04:00,741 --> 00:04:02,952 Then when they finally do 136 00:04:00,741 --> 00:04:02,952 do interracial, 137 00:04:02,994 --> 00:04:04,954 when they're not getting enough 138 00:04:02,994 --> 00:04:04,954 work doing other things, 139 00:04:04,996 --> 00:04:06,580 they get paid more money for it. 140 00:04:06,622 --> 00:04:09,249 Going to the post office myself. 141 00:04:09,291 --> 00:04:11,543 'Cause I want you all 142 00:04:09,291 --> 00:04:11,543 to get your books. 143 00:04:11,585 --> 00:04:14,213 And I want you to enjoy them. 144 00:04:14,254 --> 00:04:16,674 And I want to hear 145 00:04:14,254 --> 00:04:16,674 book reports, essays. 146 00:04:16,715 --> 00:04:19,760 So, if you want to put 147 00:04:16,715 --> 00:04:19,760 the boxes just down, 148 00:04:19,802 --> 00:04:21,303 and I'll put 'em in. 149 00:04:21,345 --> 00:04:23,931 I'll just have you photograph 150 00:04:21,345 --> 00:04:23,931 me putting 'em in here. 151 00:04:23,973 --> 00:04:26,100 Oh, shit. I just took a photo. 152 00:04:26,142 --> 00:04:27,643 -[man chuckles] 153 00:04:26,142 --> 00:04:27,643 -Of nothing. 154 00:04:30,062 --> 00:04:31,313 All right. 155 00:04:31,355 --> 00:04:33,440 How many do you think 156 00:04:31,355 --> 00:04:33,440 I can put in at a time? 157 00:04:37,028 --> 00:04:38,403 More than that. 158 00:04:39,780 --> 00:04:42,992 Don't jam it up. 159 00:04:39,780 --> 00:04:42,992 Don't jam it up. 160 00:04:43,034 --> 00:04:45,953 These boxes took some getting 161 00:04:43,034 --> 00:04:45,953 used to making, you know 162 00:04:43,034 --> 00:04:45,953 what I mean? 163 00:04:45,995 --> 00:04:48,455 Like, the first ten, there's 164 00:04:45,995 --> 00:04:48,455 so much tape on them. 165 00:04:48,497 --> 00:04:51,625 Then I got a system going, 166 00:04:48,497 --> 00:04:51,625 you know. 167 00:04:55,213 --> 00:04:56,380 What does that mean? 168 00:04:59,466 --> 00:05:03,137 Is it stuck? 169 00:04:59,466 --> 00:05:03,137 Is it full? 170 00:05:03,179 --> 00:05:05,764 What do we do now? 171 00:05:03,179 --> 00:05:05,764 Is there another one? 172 00:05:05,806 --> 00:05:09,810 Yeah, the "Paylin" movie 173 00:05:05,806 --> 00:05:09,810 pretty much single-handedly 174 00:05:05,806 --> 00:05:09,810 changed my entire life. 175 00:05:09,852 --> 00:05:12,813 So I have fans coming in 176 00:05:09,852 --> 00:05:12,813 not because they're porn fans, 177 00:05:12,855 --> 00:05:14,648 just 'cause they 178 00:05:12,855 --> 00:05:14,648 thought that was hysterical. 179 00:05:14,690 --> 00:05:16,901 I have people that, like, 180 00:05:14,690 --> 00:05:16,901 walk up to me now places, 181 00:05:16,942 --> 00:05:19,528 and they're like, "Right on," 182 00:05:16,942 --> 00:05:19,528 you know, "That was funny." 183 00:05:19,570 --> 00:05:22,073 So it's just-- 184 00:05:19,570 --> 00:05:22,073 It broke a barrier for me. 185 00:05:22,114 --> 00:05:24,075 [Man] 186 00:05:22,114 --> 00:05:24,075 Did you expect it 187 00:05:22,114 --> 00:05:24,075 when you first shot it? 188 00:05:24,116 --> 00:05:25,617 Did you think 189 00:05:24,116 --> 00:05:25,617 it was gonna go... 190 00:05:25,659 --> 00:05:27,078 That big? No. 191 00:05:27,119 --> 00:05:30,289 2008 I was on set 192 00:05:27,119 --> 00:05:30,289 shooting a movie, 193 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:32,750 and during my downtime 194 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:32,750 I was checking my messages, 195 00:05:32,791 --> 00:05:35,044 and it was Drew from Hustler, 196 00:05:32,791 --> 00:05:35,044 and Drew said, "Hey, 197 00:05:35,086 --> 00:05:37,504 "we want to shoot a movie 198 00:05:35,086 --> 00:05:37,504 about Sarah Palin, 199 00:05:37,546 --> 00:05:39,464 and we want to call it 200 00:05:37,546 --> 00:05:39,464 "Nailin' Paylin." 201 00:05:39,506 --> 00:05:41,717 "Who's Nailin' Paylin?" 202 00:05:39,506 --> 00:05:41,717 which I thought was 203 00:05:39,506 --> 00:05:41,717 a great name. 204 00:05:41,759 --> 00:05:44,553 We want to use you, 205 00:05:41,759 --> 00:05:44,553 you're perfect for it. 206 00:05:44,595 --> 00:05:46,680 This is gonna kind of 207 00:05:44,595 --> 00:05:46,680 be a big deal. 208 00:05:46,722 --> 00:05:48,266 [doorbell rings] 209 00:05:50,142 --> 00:05:52,352 Privyet. 210 00:05:50,142 --> 00:05:52,352 We hate to trouble you, 211 00:05:52,394 --> 00:05:54,688 but I'm afraid 212 00:05:52,394 --> 00:05:54,688 we have a flat tire. 213 00:05:54,730 --> 00:05:57,983 [wind blowing] 214 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,449 We were wondering 215 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,449 if we could use your phone 216 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,449 to call the Kremlin. 217 00:06:05,490 --> 00:06:08,619 Oh, I'm sorry, fellas, 218 00:06:05,490 --> 00:06:08,619 I don't speak Russian. 219 00:06:08,660 --> 00:06:11,038 Kremlin. It means... 220 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,665 -How you say? 221 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,665 -Tow truck. 222 00:06:13,707 --> 00:06:15,918 Well, in the spirit 223 00:06:13,707 --> 00:06:15,918 of foreign relations, 224 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,588 I'm sure there's no harm in me 225 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,588 letting the two of you in. 226 00:06:19,630 --> 00:06:21,673 Come on in. 227 00:06:24,343 --> 00:06:26,971 You know, the business 228 00:06:24,343 --> 00:06:26,971 lashed out at me. 229 00:06:27,012 --> 00:06:29,181 Girls thought 230 00:06:27,012 --> 00:06:29,181 I stole that scene 231 00:06:29,223 --> 00:06:31,350 because someone else got 232 00:06:29,223 --> 00:06:31,350 the phone call at my agency, 233 00:06:31,391 --> 00:06:33,185 but I insisted I did it. 234 00:06:33,227 --> 00:06:35,813 It was really weird 235 00:06:33,227 --> 00:06:35,813 how when you get popular, 236 00:06:35,854 --> 00:06:37,689 people who were 237 00:06:35,854 --> 00:06:37,689 nice to you last week 238 00:06:37,731 --> 00:06:40,567 just, like, venomously hate you 239 00:06:40,609 --> 00:06:42,402 and are talking about you 240 00:06:40,609 --> 00:06:42,402 behind your back. 241 00:06:42,444 --> 00:06:44,280 And at that point I realized, 242 00:06:44,322 --> 00:06:46,198 "Okay, well, 243 00:06:44,322 --> 00:06:46,198 I'm gonna have this, 244 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,825 "this is gonna keep me 245 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,825 incredibly busy. 246 00:06:47,866 --> 00:06:49,327 "Fuck all these people. 247 00:06:49,368 --> 00:06:50,744 "I'm gonna be able 248 00:06:49,368 --> 00:06:50,744 to charge more money. 249 00:06:50,786 --> 00:06:52,704 "They already hate me. 250 00:06:50,786 --> 00:06:52,704 I know my value. 251 00:06:52,746 --> 00:06:54,915 I know what I'm selling. 252 00:06:52,746 --> 00:06:54,915 I know what I'm doing." 253 00:06:54,957 --> 00:06:57,084 When I went to strip clubs, 254 00:06:54,957 --> 00:06:57,084 I now had 255 00:06:57,126 --> 00:06:59,837 an older audience, 256 00:06:57,126 --> 00:06:59,837 a younger audience, 257 00:06:59,878 --> 00:07:02,631 a political audience, 258 00:06:59,878 --> 00:07:02,631 a gay audience, 259 00:07:02,673 --> 00:07:04,967 male audience, female audience. 260 00:07:05,009 --> 00:07:07,845 My range was so incredible, 261 00:07:07,886 --> 00:07:09,638 people walked up to me 262 00:07:07,886 --> 00:07:09,638 everywhere and they're like, 263 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,932 "It's that Sarah Palin girl. 264 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,932 It's that Sarah Palin girl." 265 00:07:11,974 --> 00:07:15,435 It was like, "This is it. 266 00:07:11,974 --> 00:07:15,435 This next four or five years 267 00:07:15,477 --> 00:07:17,562 could set up the rest 268 00:07:15,477 --> 00:07:17,562 of my fucking life." 269 00:07:17,604 --> 00:07:18,856 Like, it's go time. 270 00:07:18,897 --> 00:07:20,565 We're gonna be on the road 271 00:07:18,897 --> 00:07:20,565 every weekend. 272 00:07:20,607 --> 00:07:22,318 We're gonna do 273 00:07:20,607 --> 00:07:22,318 47 weekends a year. 274 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:23,986 We're gonna do 275 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:23,986 crazy personal appearances. 276 00:07:24,028 --> 00:07:25,445 We're gonna do tons of PR. 277 00:07:25,487 --> 00:07:28,073 Everyone was offering me 278 00:07:25,487 --> 00:07:28,073 these opportunities, you know? 279 00:07:28,115 --> 00:07:31,243 I remember getting invited 280 00:07:28,115 --> 00:07:31,243 to go to a couple good nude 281 00:07:28,115 --> 00:07:31,243 movie premieres, 282 00:07:31,285 --> 00:07:33,037 getting to go to some events. 283 00:07:33,078 --> 00:07:34,830 Those are great 284 00:07:33,078 --> 00:07:34,830 photo opportunities for me. 285 00:07:34,872 --> 00:07:38,334 And I knew that that is 286 00:07:34,872 --> 00:07:38,334 the way to stay relevant, 287 00:07:38,376 --> 00:07:40,419 to brand yourself 288 00:07:38,376 --> 00:07:40,419 to different fans, 289 00:07:40,460 --> 00:07:43,630 and to get yourself going 290 00:07:40,460 --> 00:07:43,630 out there in a social scene, 291 00:07:43,672 --> 00:07:45,216 in a different light 292 00:07:43,672 --> 00:07:45,216 with your clothes on. 293 00:07:45,257 --> 00:07:47,509 The more gigs I could do 294 00:07:47,551 --> 00:07:50,221 where it wasn't just about me 295 00:07:47,551 --> 00:07:50,221 fucking or being naked, 296 00:07:50,262 --> 00:07:52,806 the more I could 297 00:07:50,262 --> 00:07:52,806 cross-pollinate 298 00:07:52,848 --> 00:07:56,310 and start to get into what was 299 00:07:52,848 --> 00:07:56,310 gonna be my reality one day, 300 00:07:56,352 --> 00:07:58,520 being dressed. 301 00:08:09,573 --> 00:08:11,992 All these shows are on Sirius, 302 00:08:09,573 --> 00:08:11,992 so Sirius will hit me up, 303 00:08:12,034 --> 00:08:13,535 and one of the shows 304 00:08:12,034 --> 00:08:13,535 will hit me up and say, 305 00:08:13,577 --> 00:08:15,454 "Hey, so and so's coming 306 00:08:13,577 --> 00:08:15,454 through. Can you make it over?" 307 00:08:15,495 --> 00:08:16,872 'Cause they know 308 00:08:15,495 --> 00:08:16,872 I'm that close. 309 00:08:16,914 --> 00:08:18,790 So I just get a shower, 310 00:08:16,914 --> 00:08:18,790 get dressed and go over. 311 00:08:18,832 --> 00:08:22,294 These are opportunities for me 312 00:08:18,832 --> 00:08:22,294 that are priceless, right? 313 00:08:22,336 --> 00:08:25,881 And everyone just treats me 314 00:08:22,336 --> 00:08:25,881 like, I'm part of the family 315 00:08:22,336 --> 00:08:25,881 'cause I work there, 316 00:08:25,923 --> 00:08:28,675 and I have my own name badges, 317 00:08:25,923 --> 00:08:28,675 and they don't have to worry 318 00:08:25,923 --> 00:08:28,675 about security at all. 319 00:08:28,717 --> 00:08:30,969 And I feel like 320 00:08:28,717 --> 00:08:30,969 this little job 321 00:08:31,011 --> 00:08:34,681 has become the biggest 322 00:08:31,011 --> 00:08:34,681 opportunity of my life. 323 00:08:34,723 --> 00:08:36,975 Okay. I'm gonna put this 324 00:08:34,723 --> 00:08:36,975 plan in motion. 325 00:08:37,017 --> 00:08:38,518 It's gonna be a one-year plan. 326 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:40,479 I'm gonna produce 327 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:40,479 this many movies 328 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,523 so I have this much content 329 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,523 for my Web site once I retire. 330 00:08:43,565 --> 00:08:47,403 I was starting 331 00:08:43,565 --> 00:08:47,403 to plant the seeds 332 00:08:43,565 --> 00:08:47,403 that I wanted a sports show. 333 00:08:47,445 --> 00:08:51,156 I was already working for Sirius 334 00:08:47,445 --> 00:08:51,156 at that time out here in LA 335 00:08:51,198 --> 00:08:54,076 doing a very fun, sexy show 336 00:08:51,198 --> 00:08:54,076 called "Stripper Town." 337 00:08:54,118 --> 00:08:57,037 And by September 9th, 2013, 338 00:08:57,079 --> 00:08:59,415 I started my very 339 00:08:57,079 --> 00:08:59,415 first show with Sirius. 340 00:08:59,457 --> 00:09:01,959 "Lisa Ann Does Fantasy." It was 341 00:08:59,457 --> 00:09:01,959 my very first sports show. 342 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,545 You know, I said 343 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,545 to my girlfriend today, I was 344 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,545 explaining this to her, 345 00:09:05,587 --> 00:09:07,381 and I said, "You know, 346 00:09:05,587 --> 00:09:07,381 you have kids and I don't. 347 00:09:07,423 --> 00:09:09,383 It's like being a proud parent. 348 00:09:09,425 --> 00:09:12,094 "When you're watching fantasy 349 00:09:09,425 --> 00:09:12,094 and one of your players does 350 00:09:09,425 --> 00:09:12,094 what you expected, 351 00:09:12,136 --> 00:09:13,471 "or even more 352 00:09:12,136 --> 00:09:13,471 than you expected, 353 00:09:13,512 --> 00:09:15,639 you feel like a proud parent." 354 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:18,016 [Man] 355 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:18,016 If a girl wants to get 356 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:18,016 into the adult business now, 357 00:09:18,058 --> 00:09:19,435 what do you tell her? 358 00:09:19,477 --> 00:09:21,728 Um, I'd talk with her 359 00:09:19,477 --> 00:09:21,728 about why. 360 00:09:21,770 --> 00:09:25,232 You know, is she getting into 361 00:09:21,770 --> 00:09:25,232 the business 'cause she wants 362 00:09:21,770 --> 00:09:25,232 to explore herself sexually? 363 00:09:25,274 --> 00:09:29,194 She feels that she is more 364 00:09:25,274 --> 00:09:29,194 unique than someone else? 365 00:09:29,236 --> 00:09:32,072 Is she just 366 00:09:29,236 --> 00:09:32,072 a paycheck performer? 367 00:09:32,114 --> 00:09:34,699 If so, what is she looking 368 00:09:32,114 --> 00:09:34,699 to do, big picture? 369 00:09:34,741 --> 00:09:36,201 Because some girls think, 370 00:09:34,741 --> 00:09:36,201 you know, 371 00:09:36,243 --> 00:09:39,037 "I'm gonna work for a year 372 00:09:36,243 --> 00:09:39,037 or two and make some money 373 00:09:39,079 --> 00:09:41,706 and put it aside and then 374 00:09:39,079 --> 00:09:41,706 I'll do something else." 375 00:09:41,748 --> 00:09:44,543 And I'm like, "Yeah, you're not 376 00:09:41,748 --> 00:09:44,543 doing something else. 377 00:09:44,584 --> 00:09:47,338 You're gonna have at any 378 00:09:44,584 --> 00:09:47,338 other job, someone's gonna 379 00:09:44,584 --> 00:09:47,338 know what you've done." 380 00:09:47,379 --> 00:09:51,342 You have to be done with 381 00:09:47,379 --> 00:09:51,342 the business before the business 382 00:09:47,379 --> 00:09:51,342 is done with you. 383 00:09:51,383 --> 00:09:53,427 And, to many people, 384 00:09:53,469 --> 00:09:56,596 I've seen the business 385 00:09:53,469 --> 00:09:56,596 be done with them 386 00:09:53,469 --> 00:09:56,596 before they were ready, 387 00:09:56,638 --> 00:09:57,848 and it's devastating. 388 00:09:57,889 --> 00:09:59,808 Since I retired, 389 00:09:57,889 --> 00:09:59,808 I made a promise 390 00:09:59,850 --> 00:10:02,019 that I would read 391 00:09:59,850 --> 00:10:02,019 at least one book a week. 392 00:10:02,060 --> 00:10:05,314 And I feel like my brain 393 00:10:02,060 --> 00:10:05,314 was starting to go to mush 394 00:10:05,356 --> 00:10:08,484 because it was so easy to be 395 00:10:05,356 --> 00:10:08,484 the most successful porn star 396 00:10:05,356 --> 00:10:08,484 in the business 397 00:10:08,526 --> 00:10:12,863 because all I had to do 398 00:10:08,526 --> 00:10:12,863 was follow some really 399 00:10:08,526 --> 00:10:12,863 basic instructions. 400 00:10:12,904 --> 00:10:15,866 I don't think I could ever 401 00:10:12,904 --> 00:10:15,866 walk away from being 402 00:10:12,904 --> 00:10:15,866 Lisa Ann the porn star. 403 00:10:15,907 --> 00:10:18,536 I don't think there's a country 404 00:10:15,907 --> 00:10:18,536 that I could move to 405 00:10:18,577 --> 00:10:19,995 where it would be possible. 406 00:10:20,037 --> 00:10:22,247 I have to accept 407 00:10:20,037 --> 00:10:22,247 that what I put out there, 408 00:10:22,289 --> 00:10:24,375 and the amount of years 409 00:10:22,289 --> 00:10:24,375 that I put it out there, 410 00:10:24,416 --> 00:10:26,668 and the willingness 411 00:10:24,416 --> 00:10:26,668 that I put it out there, 412 00:10:26,710 --> 00:10:29,880 there's something to accept 413 00:10:26,710 --> 00:10:29,880 in return for the security 414 00:10:26,710 --> 00:10:29,880 that I've given myself, 415 00:10:29,921 --> 00:10:32,716 the way that I've been able 416 00:10:29,921 --> 00:10:32,716 to live, the adventures 417 00:10:29,921 --> 00:10:32,716 that I've had. 418 00:10:32,757 --> 00:10:35,344 The sidebar is, sure, 419 00:10:32,757 --> 00:10:35,344 everyone knows who I am, 420 00:10:35,386 --> 00:10:37,054 and everyone feels 421 00:10:35,386 --> 00:10:37,054 comfortable to approach me. 422 00:10:37,095 --> 00:10:39,223 You gotta understand something. 423 00:10:39,264 --> 00:10:42,642 There's a comfort when a guy 424 00:10:39,264 --> 00:10:42,642 sees me that's much different 425 00:10:42,684 --> 00:10:44,811 than when he sees a football 426 00:10:42,684 --> 00:10:44,811 player or basketball player. 427 00:10:44,853 --> 00:10:46,438 He has masturbated to me. 428 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,982 When he looks at me, 429 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,982 and we make eye contact, 430 00:10:49,024 --> 00:10:51,151 and that twinkle happens, 431 00:10:49,024 --> 00:10:51,151 and he remembers 432 00:10:49,024 --> 00:10:51,151 all those moments, 433 00:10:51,193 --> 00:10:53,195 it's a feeling, 434 00:10:51,193 --> 00:10:53,195 it's an adrenaline rush, 435 00:10:53,237 --> 00:10:54,446 it's a thing, right? 436 00:10:54,488 --> 00:10:57,908 I have to be so aware 437 00:10:54,488 --> 00:10:57,908 that I put it out there. 438 00:10:57,949 --> 00:11:01,328 Who would I be to say, 439 00:10:57,949 --> 00:11:01,328 "No, I don't want any of you 440 00:10:57,949 --> 00:11:01,328 to talk about this anymore. 441 00:11:01,370 --> 00:11:03,205 I want this to go away. 442 00:11:01,370 --> 00:11:03,205 I'm no longer her." 443 00:11:03,247 --> 00:11:04,998 I'm still her. 444 00:11:03,247 --> 00:11:04,998 I was naked. 445 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,751 There's no shield 446 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,751 I was wearing that 447 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,751 covered me from being me. 448 00:11:07,792 --> 00:11:10,712 And I used my real name, 449 00:11:07,792 --> 00:11:10,712 so, you know. 450 00:11:16,260 --> 00:11:18,470 [lively chattering] 451 00:11:18,512 --> 00:11:20,556 [Woman] 452 00:11:18,512 --> 00:11:20,556 I am in porn, yes, 453 00:11:20,598 --> 00:11:23,141 but I'm also in 454 00:11:20,598 --> 00:11:23,141 the transgender industry, 455 00:11:23,183 --> 00:11:25,018 which is a very small niche. 456 00:11:25,060 --> 00:11:29,273 So in order for one to be able 457 00:11:25,060 --> 00:11:29,273 to excel and have an exit plan, 458 00:11:29,314 --> 00:11:31,442 you have to produce, 459 00:11:29,314 --> 00:11:31,442 you have to direct. 460 00:11:31,483 --> 00:11:33,485 You have to take control 461 00:11:31,483 --> 00:11:33,485 of your own brand 462 00:11:33,527 --> 00:11:36,196 and be able to dictate 463 00:11:33,527 --> 00:11:36,196 your own future. 464 00:11:36,238 --> 00:11:39,074 So, with that said, 465 00:11:36,238 --> 00:11:39,074 that's why I've worked so hard 466 00:11:39,116 --> 00:11:41,785 to get these accolades 467 00:11:39,116 --> 00:11:41,785 and be able to brand myself 468 00:11:41,826 --> 00:11:43,412 as a top performer. 469 00:11:43,454 --> 00:11:47,999 And eventually 470 00:11:43,454 --> 00:11:47,999 be able to develop 471 00:11:43,454 --> 00:11:47,999 my own modeling agency, 472 00:11:48,041 --> 00:11:50,794 and get in and get out, right? 473 00:11:50,835 --> 00:11:53,130 And have a family of my own. 474 00:11:53,171 --> 00:11:54,923 So, I'm 25 now, 475 00:11:54,965 --> 00:11:56,467 so I got a couple 476 00:11:54,965 --> 00:11:56,467 more years to go 477 00:11:56,508 --> 00:11:59,553 before I definitely want 478 00:11:56,508 --> 00:11:59,553 to have children of my own. 479 00:12:00,762 --> 00:12:04,182 [film reel whirring] 480 00:12:12,941 --> 00:12:15,235 [Woman] 481 00:12:12,941 --> 00:12:15,235 If I had my life to live over... 482 00:12:15,277 --> 00:12:16,320 [Man] 483 00:12:15,277 --> 00:12:16,320 It's out of the question. 484 00:12:16,361 --> 00:12:17,904 Oh, I know. 485 00:12:17,946 --> 00:12:20,282 But I'm just saying, if I did 486 00:12:17,946 --> 00:12:20,282 have my life to live over-- 487 00:12:20,324 --> 00:12:22,367 What would you do? 488 00:12:22,409 --> 00:12:25,663 I would live a life filled... 489 00:12:25,704 --> 00:12:28,206 engulfed... 490 00:12:28,248 --> 00:12:30,459 consumed... 491 00:12:30,501 --> 00:12:32,169 by lust. 492 00:12:32,210 --> 00:12:34,379 -You would? 493 00:12:32,210 --> 00:12:34,379 -Yes. 494 00:12:34,421 --> 00:12:36,632 Engulfed? 495 00:12:36,674 --> 00:12:38,133 Consumed. 496 00:12:38,175 --> 00:12:39,593 With lust? 497 00:12:39,635 --> 00:12:40,719 Yes. 498 00:12:42,053 --> 00:12:43,805 What the hell, why not? 499 00:12:43,847 --> 00:12:46,517 There's little enough 500 00:12:43,847 --> 00:12:46,517 to do around here. 501 00:12:43,847 --> 00:12:46,517 It'll break the monotony. 502 00:12:46,558 --> 00:12:47,643 Oh, can I? 503 00:12:47,685 --> 00:12:48,810 Just for a short time. 504 00:12:48,852 --> 00:12:50,061 Agreed. 505 00:12:50,103 --> 00:12:51,605 I'll be watching you. 506 00:12:51,647 --> 00:12:53,190 As soon as I feel 507 00:12:51,647 --> 00:12:53,190 that you've had enough, 508 00:12:53,231 --> 00:12:54,816 I'll call you back, 509 00:12:53,231 --> 00:12:54,816 and no nonsense. 510 00:12:54,858 --> 00:12:55,942 Oh, agreed. 511 00:12:55,984 --> 00:12:58,111 When can I start? 512 00:12:59,363 --> 00:13:00,572 Now. 513 00:13:01,948 --> 00:13:04,493 Just walk through that door. 514 00:13:17,589 --> 00:13:20,718 [Spelvin] 515 00:13:17,589 --> 00:13:20,718 I was ready for anything 516 00:13:17,589 --> 00:13:20,718 by the time I went to New York. 517 00:13:24,929 --> 00:13:28,808 I signed on to do the commissary 518 00:13:24,929 --> 00:13:28,808 for "Devil in Miss Jones." 519 00:13:28,850 --> 00:13:31,353 So when I went up there to get 520 00:13:28,850 --> 00:13:31,353 the money to buy the food, 521 00:13:31,395 --> 00:13:35,399 Jerry says, 522 00:13:31,395 --> 00:13:35,399 "I got a guy coming in to read 523 00:13:31,395 --> 00:13:35,399 for the devil in this film. 524 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,693 "would you mind 525 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,693 reading opposite him? 526 00:13:37,735 --> 00:13:39,444 "Have you ever had 527 00:13:37,735 --> 00:13:39,444 any acting experience?" 528 00:13:39,486 --> 00:13:41,405 I said, "Oh, yes." 529 00:13:39,486 --> 00:13:41,405 I was an actress. 530 00:13:41,446 --> 00:13:43,323 "I'm an actress." 531 00:13:43,365 --> 00:13:45,242 And he said, "Would you mind 532 00:13:43,365 --> 00:13:45,242 reading with him?" 533 00:13:45,283 --> 00:13:47,244 "Of course not." 534 00:13:45,283 --> 00:13:47,244 So I sat down, 535 00:13:45,283 --> 00:13:47,244 we read the scene. 536 00:13:47,285 --> 00:13:49,329 And I'm chewing up the script, 537 00:13:49,371 --> 00:13:51,498 you know, I'm having 538 00:13:49,371 --> 00:13:51,498 a great time with this. 539 00:13:51,540 --> 00:13:53,208 And after the guy leaves, 540 00:13:53,250 --> 00:13:54,376 he leans over, 541 00:13:53,250 --> 00:13:54,376 he said, 542 00:13:54,418 --> 00:13:57,212 "Would you like 543 00:13:54,418 --> 00:13:57,212 to play the role?" 544 00:13:57,254 --> 00:14:03,260 A lead role in a real movie? 545 00:13:57,254 --> 00:14:03,260 Well, I guess so. 546 00:14:03,301 --> 00:14:05,929 I said, "Can I cook too?" 547 00:14:03,301 --> 00:14:05,929 He said, "Yeah." 548 00:14:05,970 --> 00:14:07,681 He said, "I'll pay you 549 00:14:05,970 --> 00:14:07,681 100 a day for acting, 550 00:14:07,723 --> 00:14:09,349 and 45 a day to cook." 551 00:14:09,391 --> 00:14:12,561 That was a killing for us 552 00:14:09,391 --> 00:14:12,561 in those days, let me tell you. 553 00:14:12,603 --> 00:14:16,481 So we went toddling out 554 00:14:12,603 --> 00:14:16,481 to some place in New Jersey. 555 00:14:16,523 --> 00:14:18,900 And so help me, Your Honor, 556 00:14:16,523 --> 00:14:18,900 I think it was New Jersey. 557 00:14:18,942 --> 00:14:22,362 It could have been New York. 558 00:14:18,942 --> 00:14:22,362 I have no idea where it was. 559 00:14:22,404 --> 00:14:26,991 It was a big old deserted farm, 560 00:14:22,404 --> 00:14:26,991 with a big old barn. 561 00:14:27,033 --> 00:14:31,037 And they moved the film 562 00:14:27,033 --> 00:14:31,037 equipment into the barn, 563 00:14:31,079 --> 00:14:33,582 and we lived in the barn, 564 00:14:31,079 --> 00:14:33,582 and we shot in the barn, 565 00:14:33,624 --> 00:14:35,751 and we got in the cars 566 00:14:33,624 --> 00:14:35,751 and we went home. 567 00:14:35,793 --> 00:14:39,170 And that's how I did 568 00:14:35,793 --> 00:14:39,170 "The Devil in Miss Jones." 569 00:14:39,212 --> 00:14:44,175 I have no idea why 570 00:14:39,212 --> 00:14:44,175 "The Devil in Miss Jones," 571 00:14:44,217 --> 00:14:48,388 a fuck film, let's face it, 572 00:14:44,217 --> 00:14:48,388 a porno, a pornographic film, 573 00:14:48,430 --> 00:14:50,641 resonated as it did 574 00:14:50,682 --> 00:14:55,353 with such a great range of 575 00:14:50,682 --> 00:14:55,353 American society of that time. 576 00:14:55,395 --> 00:14:58,189 But for some reason, boy, 577 00:14:55,395 --> 00:14:58,189 it just splashed over 578 00:14:58,231 --> 00:15:03,654 into something that Judith Crist 579 00:14:58,231 --> 00:15:03,654 dubbed "porn chic." 580 00:15:03,695 --> 00:15:05,823 If you touch me, I can get off. 581 00:15:05,864 --> 00:15:08,492 We'll get off together. 582 00:15:05,864 --> 00:15:08,492 [panting] 583 00:15:08,533 --> 00:15:12,287 If you just... 584 00:15:08,533 --> 00:15:12,287 just put your cock in me. 585 00:15:12,329 --> 00:15:15,915 Would you like to put 586 00:15:12,329 --> 00:15:15,915 your cock in me? 587 00:15:12,329 --> 00:15:15,915 Then we can get off. 588 00:15:15,957 --> 00:15:20,128 [laughs] 589 00:15:15,957 --> 00:15:20,128 People were going as couples 590 00:15:20,170 --> 00:15:23,173 to see hardcore 591 00:15:20,170 --> 00:15:23,173 pornographic films, 592 00:15:23,214 --> 00:15:24,299 to see sex films. 593 00:15:26,217 --> 00:15:28,637 I mean, nice couples. 594 00:15:28,679 --> 00:15:31,931 At the time, I had no idea 595 00:15:28,679 --> 00:15:31,931 that anyone I knew, 596 00:15:31,973 --> 00:15:34,142 much less anyone that 597 00:15:31,973 --> 00:15:34,142 I was related to 598 00:15:34,184 --> 00:15:35,935 would ever see this film. 599 00:15:37,103 --> 00:15:39,481 And, um, they did. 600 00:15:39,523 --> 00:15:40,774 [chuckles] 601 00:15:40,816 --> 00:15:43,151 And I had to say, 602 00:15:40,816 --> 00:15:43,151 "Yeah, that was me." 603 00:15:43,193 --> 00:15:46,488 "Yes, brother dear, 604 00:15:43,193 --> 00:15:46,488 that was your sister." 605 00:15:46,530 --> 00:15:50,074 It was a moment of truth 606 00:15:46,530 --> 00:15:50,074 in my life. 607 00:15:52,661 --> 00:15:55,288 And I said, 608 00:15:52,661 --> 00:15:55,288 "How's Mom taking it?" 609 00:15:55,330 --> 00:15:57,165 And he said, 610 00:15:55,330 --> 00:15:57,165 "Well, you know Mom. 611 00:15:57,207 --> 00:16:00,084 She rolls with any punch 612 00:15:57,207 --> 00:16:00,084 that comes her way," 613 00:16:00,126 --> 00:16:01,920 and she did, you know. 614 00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:10,011 Uh, she never said 615 00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:10,011 "I forgive you." 616 00:16:10,053 --> 00:16:15,183 But she almost said, 617 00:16:10,053 --> 00:16:15,183 "I understand" before she died. 618 00:16:17,895 --> 00:16:20,397 I didn't exactly 619 00:16:17,895 --> 00:16:20,397 exit the business. 620 00:16:20,438 --> 00:16:22,566 The business 621 00:16:20,438 --> 00:16:22,566 kind of exited me. 622 00:16:22,607 --> 00:16:26,361 Every film I made was the last 623 00:16:22,607 --> 00:16:26,361 film I was ever gonna do. 624 00:16:26,403 --> 00:16:28,446 I never sought out the films. 625 00:16:28,488 --> 00:16:31,533 People would call me and ask me 626 00:16:28,488 --> 00:16:31,533 if I would work, if I was busy. 627 00:16:31,575 --> 00:16:33,159 And I usually would say, 628 00:16:33,201 --> 00:16:37,038 "Well, I don't really want to, 629 00:16:33,201 --> 00:16:37,038 but okay, one more." 630 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,543 So I got this very good job, 631 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,543 and it was a nine-to-five job 632 00:16:41,585 --> 00:16:42,836 and took up my time. 633 00:16:42,878 --> 00:16:45,547 Now and then I would 634 00:16:42,878 --> 00:16:45,547 get a call to do a film, 635 00:16:45,589 --> 00:16:49,050 and I would take 636 00:16:45,589 --> 00:16:49,050 a week's vacation 637 00:16:49,092 --> 00:16:51,052 and run off and do a film. 638 00:16:51,094 --> 00:16:54,138 And one day, my boss 639 00:16:51,094 --> 00:16:54,138 called me in and said, 640 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:57,726 "Are you going off 641 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:57,726 to do one of those films?" 642 00:16:57,768 --> 00:17:00,270 And I said, "Well, yeah." 643 00:17:00,311 --> 00:17:02,689 He said, "It's been brought 644 00:17:00,311 --> 00:17:02,689 to my attention 645 00:17:02,731 --> 00:17:06,568 "that some of the board 646 00:17:02,731 --> 00:17:06,568 of directors are aware 647 00:17:06,610 --> 00:17:08,570 that you have done 648 00:17:06,610 --> 00:17:08,570 some of these films." 649 00:17:08,612 --> 00:17:12,198 And I said, "This is 650 00:17:08,612 --> 00:17:12,198 the last one, I promise." 651 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,952 He said, "Oh, okay. 652 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,952 I'll tell them that." 653 00:17:14,993 --> 00:17:18,329 And it was. 654 00:17:14,993 --> 00:17:18,329 [laughs] 655 00:17:18,371 --> 00:17:21,291 I don't know what 656 00:17:18,371 --> 00:17:21,291 today's adult films are. 657 00:17:21,332 --> 00:17:24,586 I presume 658 00:17:21,332 --> 00:17:24,586 it's all on the Web. 659 00:17:24,628 --> 00:17:29,299 Or on video tape 660 00:17:24,628 --> 00:17:29,299 or cassettes or some media. 661 00:17:29,340 --> 00:17:33,720 I doubt if there are 662 00:17:29,340 --> 00:17:33,720 what we used to call 663 00:17:29,340 --> 00:17:33,720 the "stroke houses" 664 00:17:33,762 --> 00:17:37,307 around anymore. 665 00:17:33,762 --> 00:17:37,307 [laughs] 666 00:17:37,348 --> 00:17:39,601 You know, when you bought 667 00:17:37,348 --> 00:17:39,601 the popcorn box 668 00:17:39,643 --> 00:17:42,646 and took the bottom out 669 00:17:39,643 --> 00:17:42,646 and dumped the popcorn. 670 00:17:42,687 --> 00:17:45,023 [man laughing] 671 00:17:45,106 --> 00:17:46,817 Or you brought a top hat. 672 00:17:46,858 --> 00:17:49,319 [both laughing] 673 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:52,781 By and large, 674 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:52,781 it's been a delightful trip. 675 00:17:52,823 --> 00:17:55,784 I now and then 676 00:17:52,823 --> 00:17:55,784 get the feeling, 677 00:17:55,826 --> 00:17:59,454 yeah, there's probably a big 678 00:17:55,826 --> 00:17:59,454 waterfall somewhere 679 00:17:59,496 --> 00:18:00,831 there in the distance. 680 00:18:00,872 --> 00:18:03,416 I can kind of hear it 681 00:18:00,872 --> 00:18:03,416 rumbling now and then, 682 00:18:03,458 --> 00:18:06,628 but what am I gonna 683 00:18:03,458 --> 00:18:06,628 do about it? 684 00:18:06,670 --> 00:18:09,130 The things I am 685 00:18:06,670 --> 00:18:09,130 most grateful for 686 00:18:09,172 --> 00:18:11,675 are having met 687 00:18:09,172 --> 00:18:11,675 the love of my life-- 688 00:18:11,716 --> 00:18:14,218 not everybody gets to do that-- 689 00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:16,721 and having not only met 690 00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:16,721 the love of my life, 691 00:18:16,763 --> 00:18:19,975 having him feel 692 00:18:16,763 --> 00:18:19,975 the same way about me, 693 00:18:20,017 --> 00:18:22,853 so that we could 694 00:18:20,017 --> 00:18:22,853 build a life together 695 00:18:22,894 --> 00:18:25,981 in this absolutely 696 00:18:22,894 --> 00:18:25,981 delightful little paradise 697 00:18:26,023 --> 00:18:27,899 that we get to call home, 698 00:18:27,941 --> 00:18:30,735 here under the glorious 699 00:18:27,941 --> 00:18:30,735 Hollywood sign. 700 00:18:35,949 --> 00:18:38,910 In my world-- I'm also 701 00:18:35,949 --> 00:18:38,910 a psychic reader for a living-- 702 00:18:38,952 --> 00:18:41,454 so, we don't have time lines 703 00:18:41,496 --> 00:18:44,290 because time is infinite 704 00:18:41,496 --> 00:18:44,290 in my world. 705 00:18:44,332 --> 00:18:46,751 So there's no exit or entrance. 706 00:18:46,793 --> 00:18:50,714 It's just all a big giant 707 00:18:46,793 --> 00:18:50,714 conglomeration of joy and love. 708 00:18:50,755 --> 00:18:52,757 So, no, I don't have 709 00:18:50,755 --> 00:18:52,757 an answer to that question. 710 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:56,386 But I plan to dance, perform, 711 00:18:56,427 --> 00:18:59,347 dance with snakes and play, 712 00:18:56,427 --> 00:18:59,347 until I feel 713 00:18:59,389 --> 00:19:01,683 that my heart tells me 714 00:18:59,389 --> 00:19:01,683 to do something different. 715 00:19:01,725 --> 00:19:03,852 So, it could be infinite, 716 00:19:03,894 --> 00:19:05,478 it could be tomorrow, 717 00:19:03,894 --> 00:19:05,478 it could be yesterday, 718 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,313 it could be 719 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,313 five years from now, 720 00:19:07,355 --> 00:19:08,940 it could be a month. 721 00:19:12,694 --> 00:19:16,031 Oh, see? Darren James. 722 00:19:16,073 --> 00:19:18,157 Right now we have 723 00:19:16,073 --> 00:19:18,157 a beautiful lady. 724 00:19:18,199 --> 00:19:20,077 Back up a little bit 725 00:19:18,199 --> 00:19:20,077 and take a look at her. 726 00:19:20,118 --> 00:19:21,536 Look at this body. 727 00:19:21,578 --> 00:19:23,121 What's your name? 728 00:19:23,162 --> 00:19:25,248 -Lara. 729 00:19:23,162 --> 00:19:25,248 -Lara. 730 00:19:25,289 --> 00:19:27,625 What's your age? 731 00:19:27,667 --> 00:19:29,335 Um, 19? 732 00:19:29,377 --> 00:19:31,421 19. I like that. 733 00:19:49,981 --> 00:19:53,110 [Broadcaster 1] 734 00:19:49,981 --> 00:19:53,110 And HIV scare has reportedly 735 00:19:49,981 --> 00:19:53,110 shut down the porn industry 736 00:19:53,151 --> 00:19:54,986 after Darren James 737 00:19:53,151 --> 00:19:54,986 contracted the virus 738 00:19:55,028 --> 00:19:57,280 after returning to the US, 739 00:19:55,028 --> 00:19:57,280 after filming in Brazil. 740 00:19:57,321 --> 00:19:59,157 [Broadcaster 2] 741 00:19:57,321 --> 00:19:59,157 It was discovered 742 00:19:57,321 --> 00:19:59,157 that three actresses 743 00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:01,159 who had worked with James 744 00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:01,159 shortly after his return 745 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:02,326 to the United States 746 00:20:02,368 --> 00:20:04,245 had also become infected. 747 00:20:04,287 --> 00:20:06,706 [Broadcaster 3] 748 00:20:04,287 --> 00:20:06,706 A week later, he turned up 749 00:20:04,287 --> 00:20:06,706 at a San Diego County hospital 750 00:20:06,748 --> 00:20:08,541 recovering from 751 00:20:06,748 --> 00:20:08,541 an apparent suicide attempt. 752 00:20:08,583 --> 00:20:10,293 [Broadcaster 4] 753 00:20:08,583 --> 00:20:10,293 He's a middle-aged 754 00:20:08,583 --> 00:20:10,293 black porn actor 755 00:20:10,334 --> 00:20:11,711 who wanted to be a policeman. 756 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:19,510 [James] 757 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:19,510 This is not going to be 758 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:19,510 a tragedy for me. 759 00:20:19,552 --> 00:20:21,471 It's a beginning. 760 00:20:26,184 --> 00:20:27,936 You got a reason to be here. 761 00:20:27,978 --> 00:20:29,604 You're gonna have 762 00:20:27,978 --> 00:20:29,604 to figure that out. 763 00:20:33,566 --> 00:20:36,402 I guess I was too old 764 00:20:33,566 --> 00:20:36,402 and ugly to die, 765 00:20:36,444 --> 00:20:41,407 but I've survived, 766 00:20:36,444 --> 00:20:41,407 and I came back. 767 00:20:51,501 --> 00:20:55,797 [playing 768 00:20:51,501 --> 00:20:55,797 "The Star-Spangled Banner"] 769 00:21:01,011 --> 00:21:02,762 I'm from Detroit. 770 00:21:02,804 --> 00:21:07,266 And I started years ago, 771 00:21:02,804 --> 00:21:07,266 the United States Navy, 1982. 772 00:21:07,308 --> 00:21:11,021 Being a Seabee, it taught me 773 00:21:07,308 --> 00:21:11,021 a lot about... team, 774 00:21:11,062 --> 00:21:12,396 just being a team. 775 00:21:12,438 --> 00:21:15,233 Tours all over the world. 776 00:21:15,274 --> 00:21:18,028 And when I was in Puerto Rico, 777 00:21:15,274 --> 00:21:18,028 I met some Navy SEALs 778 00:21:18,069 --> 00:21:20,822 at the time, 779 00:21:18,069 --> 00:21:20,822 'cause we had a training camp 780 00:21:18,069 --> 00:21:20,822 right next to those guys. 781 00:21:20,864 --> 00:21:23,616 And those guys 782 00:21:20,864 --> 00:21:23,616 just broke me in. 783 00:21:23,658 --> 00:21:26,577 I mean, they educated me 784 00:21:23,658 --> 00:21:26,577 about myself, my life. 785 00:21:26,619 --> 00:21:28,412 It was like a brotherhood. 786 00:21:28,454 --> 00:21:30,581 And it taught me something. 787 00:21:30,623 --> 00:21:34,794 Far as where I'm at now, 788 00:21:30,623 --> 00:21:34,794 it's like... 789 00:21:34,836 --> 00:21:39,841 I can't leave my brothers 790 00:21:34,836 --> 00:21:39,841 that were in the porn 791 00:21:34,836 --> 00:21:39,841 industry behind. 792 00:21:39,883 --> 00:21:42,802 That's why I speak about, 793 00:21:39,883 --> 00:21:42,802 you know, 794 00:21:42,844 --> 00:21:44,929 being with the condoms issue 795 00:21:42,844 --> 00:21:44,929 and everything else. 796 00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:49,184 And just trying my best 797 00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:49,184 to back these guys up. 798 00:21:49,226 --> 00:21:51,769 Congratulations, recruit. 799 00:21:52,854 --> 00:21:54,064 -Good job. 800 00:21:52,854 --> 00:21:54,064 -Thank you, sir. 801 00:21:55,148 --> 00:21:56,733 Congratulations, recruit. 802 00:21:56,774 --> 00:21:57,901 Thank you. 803 00:21:57,942 --> 00:22:00,070 Good job. 804 00:21:57,942 --> 00:22:00,070 Mmm. 805 00:22:00,111 --> 00:22:02,655 Then, when you get on 806 00:22:00,111 --> 00:22:02,655 the outside, it's like, 807 00:22:00,111 --> 00:22:02,655 "Wait a minute. 808 00:22:02,697 --> 00:22:04,949 "This was reality. 809 00:22:02,697 --> 00:22:04,949 I need a job." 810 00:22:04,991 --> 00:22:06,701 I fell into the porn industry 811 00:22:06,743 --> 00:22:09,370 and it was just 812 00:22:06,743 --> 00:22:09,370 one gig after another. 813 00:22:09,412 --> 00:22:13,708 -[rapid gunfire] 814 00:22:09,412 --> 00:22:13,708 -[plane engines roaring] 815 00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:16,502 Around the time 816 00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:16,502 when I was working, 817 00:22:16,544 --> 00:22:19,089 I couldn't recall 818 00:22:16,544 --> 00:22:19,089 if I got it there. 819 00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:21,632 I couldn't even tell you if 820 00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:21,632 I got it before I left. 821 00:22:21,674 --> 00:22:23,593 We just don't know 822 00:22:21,674 --> 00:22:23,593 'cause I worked so much 823 00:22:23,634 --> 00:22:26,763 at that period of time 824 00:22:23,634 --> 00:22:26,763 when I was infected. 825 00:22:26,804 --> 00:22:31,101 But I remember I wasn't feeling 826 00:22:26,804 --> 00:22:31,101 as hot when I got to Brazil 827 00:22:31,142 --> 00:22:33,477 at this one particular 828 00:22:31,142 --> 00:22:33,477 time I was working. 829 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:35,980 We were doing a huge orgy. 830 00:22:36,022 --> 00:22:38,566 It was probably my 831 00:22:36,022 --> 00:22:38,566 second orgy when I got there. 832 00:22:38,608 --> 00:22:40,235 I was so tired and exhausted. 833 00:22:40,277 --> 00:22:42,153 I thought it was 834 00:22:40,277 --> 00:22:42,153 just I was overworked. 835 00:22:43,362 --> 00:22:45,115 Learning how this virus works, 836 00:22:45,156 --> 00:22:48,118 that's probably at the time 837 00:22:45,156 --> 00:22:48,118 where I was probably infected 838 00:22:48,159 --> 00:22:49,702 and didn't even know. 839 00:22:49,744 --> 00:22:51,871 It's hard to conclude 840 00:22:49,744 --> 00:22:51,871 and come to a conclusion 841 00:22:51,913 --> 00:22:53,998 where I got it. 842 00:22:51,913 --> 00:22:53,998 That's the problem. 843 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,792 That's the gray area. 844 00:22:55,833 --> 00:22:57,501 I just-- You know, 845 00:22:55,833 --> 00:22:57,501 if I had a condom, 846 00:22:57,543 --> 00:22:59,837 this probably 847 00:22:57,543 --> 00:22:59,837 wouldn't have happened. 848 00:22:59,879 --> 00:23:01,923 Period. This probably 849 00:22:59,879 --> 00:23:01,923 wouldn't have happened. 850 00:23:06,219 --> 00:23:08,638 You know, I'm not thinking 851 00:23:06,219 --> 00:23:08,638 this stuff would ever happen. 852 00:23:08,679 --> 00:23:11,057 The porn industry, this would 853 00:23:08,679 --> 00:23:11,057 never-- I would never get this. 854 00:23:11,099 --> 00:23:13,559 But the way my 855 00:23:11,099 --> 00:23:13,559 career ended was 856 00:23:13,601 --> 00:23:15,603 my family was in the church. 857 00:23:17,188 --> 00:23:19,316 I get diagnosed, same time, 858 00:23:19,357 --> 00:23:21,025 it's all over 859 00:23:19,357 --> 00:23:21,025 the news in Detroit. 860 00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:24,237 So people 861 00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:24,237 finding out right there. 862 00:23:25,696 --> 00:23:27,365 But for some reason, 863 00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:28,992 the church 864 00:23:27,406 --> 00:23:28,992 was smart enough-- 865 00:23:29,033 --> 00:23:30,534 I haven't seen these 866 00:23:29,033 --> 00:23:30,534 people in years-- 867 00:23:30,576 --> 00:23:32,495 now keep in mind, 868 00:23:30,576 --> 00:23:32,495 I was gone for years. 869 00:23:32,536 --> 00:23:34,789 I've been gone from home, 870 00:23:34,831 --> 00:23:37,917 and these people 871 00:23:34,831 --> 00:23:37,917 protected me even then. 872 00:23:39,460 --> 00:23:41,045 They stood up for me 873 00:23:39,460 --> 00:23:41,045 even then. 874 00:23:41,087 --> 00:23:42,880 I didn't know 875 00:23:41,087 --> 00:23:42,880 till I heard later. 876 00:23:46,009 --> 00:23:47,927 They stood up by me even then. 877 00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:57,937 If it wasn't for the individuals 878 00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:57,937 I've met in my past, 879 00:23:57,979 --> 00:24:00,898 I still had that memory, like, 880 00:23:57,979 --> 00:24:00,898 all these Navy SEALs that I met 881 00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:03,193 or military guys that I met 882 00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:03,193 that did martial arts. 883 00:24:03,234 --> 00:24:05,236 They groomed me. 884 00:24:03,234 --> 00:24:05,236 I just brought that back. 885 00:24:05,278 --> 00:24:08,072 Brought that back home 886 00:24:05,278 --> 00:24:08,072 and just got off my ass. 887 00:24:08,114 --> 00:24:10,574 Got off the couch one day. 888 00:24:08,114 --> 00:24:10,574 Get back in the gym. 889 00:24:10,616 --> 00:24:13,370 'Cause, you know, I can't 890 00:24:10,616 --> 00:24:13,370 help nobody if I ain't 891 00:24:10,616 --> 00:24:13,370 helping myself. 892 00:24:13,411 --> 00:24:16,539 'Cause being a public speaker, 893 00:24:13,411 --> 00:24:16,539 you gotta be able to back up 894 00:24:13,411 --> 00:24:16,539 what you're preaching. 895 00:24:16,580 --> 00:24:19,292 You know, they don't want 896 00:24:16,580 --> 00:24:19,292 to look at somebody 897 00:24:16,580 --> 00:24:19,292 that's all falling apart, 898 00:24:19,334 --> 00:24:22,086 typical stigma 899 00:24:19,334 --> 00:24:22,086 of being a positive. 900 00:24:22,128 --> 00:24:24,214 "Oh, this guy looks sickly." 901 00:24:22,128 --> 00:24:24,214 Fuck that. 902 00:24:24,255 --> 00:24:25,798 You know, I gotta do it, man. 903 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,550 You gotta get out 904 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,550 and do something. 905 00:24:27,591 --> 00:24:29,260 You know? And keep giving. 906 00:24:29,302 --> 00:24:32,471 As much as I can 907 00:24:29,302 --> 00:24:32,471 while I still got time 908 00:24:29,302 --> 00:24:32,471 on the clock. 909 00:24:32,513 --> 00:24:35,392 And I got a lot more work 910 00:24:32,513 --> 00:24:35,392 to do. You know? 911 00:24:35,433 --> 00:24:37,018 Who knows? 912 00:24:35,433 --> 00:24:37,018 Maybe somebody will see me, 913 00:24:37,060 --> 00:24:39,187 and just do the same to help 914 00:24:37,060 --> 00:24:39,187 somebody else, that's all. 915 00:24:39,229 --> 00:24:41,939 -Help, that bar? 916 00:24:39,229 --> 00:24:41,939 -Yup. 917 00:24:41,981 --> 00:24:44,442 Rich Piano showed me that. 918 00:24:41,981 --> 00:24:44,442 Just do the quick shit. 919 00:24:44,483 --> 00:24:46,027 [laughing] 920 00:24:46,069 --> 00:24:48,029 [James] 921 00:24:46,069 --> 00:24:48,029 A lot of times when 922 00:24:46,069 --> 00:24:48,029 you've diagnosed, 923 00:24:48,071 --> 00:24:49,447 people, you know, 924 00:24:48,071 --> 00:24:49,447 we get in denial. 925 00:24:49,488 --> 00:24:50,990 I've been there. 926 00:24:49,488 --> 00:24:50,990 You don't wanna do nothing. 927 00:24:51,032 --> 00:24:52,533 Ah, just give up. 928 00:24:51,032 --> 00:24:52,533 You can't. 929 00:24:52,575 --> 00:24:56,787 Just like cancer, any kind 930 00:24:52,575 --> 00:24:56,787 of illness that you get, 931 00:24:56,829 --> 00:24:58,373 man, you gotta get up 932 00:24:56,829 --> 00:24:58,373 and move on. 933 00:24:58,415 --> 00:25:02,043 You get better by doing 934 00:24:58,415 --> 00:25:02,043 something for yourself, 935 00:24:58,415 --> 00:25:02,043 you know? 936 00:25:02,085 --> 00:25:05,255 I'll tell anybody else, 937 00:25:02,085 --> 00:25:05,255 we all survivors 938 00:25:02,085 --> 00:25:05,255 when it comes to this. 939 00:25:05,296 --> 00:25:09,217 You know, this is not 940 00:25:05,296 --> 00:25:09,217 gonna be a tragedy for me. 941 00:25:09,259 --> 00:25:10,301 It's a beginning. 942 00:25:13,346 --> 00:25:17,475 I regret that 943 00:25:13,346 --> 00:25:17,475 I didn't get out at the time 944 00:25:13,346 --> 00:25:17,475 when I was supposed to. 945 00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:19,685 'Cause there was one period 946 00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:19,685 I did get out. I quit. 947 00:25:19,727 --> 00:25:22,813 I just didn't want to do it. 948 00:25:19,727 --> 00:25:22,813 You know, my morals kicked in. 949 00:25:22,855 --> 00:25:27,318 And then somebody called me back 950 00:25:22,855 --> 00:25:27,318 with a decent budget. 951 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,362 And we could probably 952 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,362 get you in a contract. 953 00:25:29,404 --> 00:25:30,863 I jumped on it. 954 00:25:31,989 --> 00:25:33,950 I should have got out. 955 00:25:33,991 --> 00:25:37,995 That's what I regret. 956 00:25:33,991 --> 00:25:37,995 I didn't make that move. 957 00:25:38,037 --> 00:25:40,831 Far as anything else, I miss 958 00:25:38,037 --> 00:25:40,831 the travels and the people. 959 00:25:40,873 --> 00:25:42,750 Behind the scenes, the crew. 960 00:25:42,792 --> 00:25:45,711 You know, I met some really 961 00:25:42,792 --> 00:25:45,711 interesting people that 962 00:25:42,792 --> 00:25:45,711 opened my eyes. 963 00:25:45,753 --> 00:25:47,671 There is good people 964 00:25:45,753 --> 00:25:47,671 in the industry. 965 00:25:47,713 --> 00:25:49,006 There is a lot 966 00:25:47,713 --> 00:25:49,006 of good people. 967 00:25:49,048 --> 00:25:51,050 But you can't talk, you know? 968 00:25:51,092 --> 00:25:52,843 You go against 969 00:25:51,092 --> 00:25:52,843 the grain, you're out. 970 00:25:52,885 --> 00:25:56,097 That was their income. 971 00:25:52,885 --> 00:25:56,097 Like anybody else, we're 972 00:25:52,885 --> 00:25:56,097 all making a living. 973 00:25:56,139 --> 00:26:00,143 But being able to stand up 974 00:25:56,139 --> 00:26:00,143 against that, 975 00:26:00,184 --> 00:26:02,312 the first one in history 976 00:26:00,184 --> 00:26:02,312 to stand up against... 977 00:26:02,353 --> 00:26:05,440 I think to go so hardcore 978 00:26:02,353 --> 00:26:05,440 against the industry, 979 00:26:05,482 --> 00:26:08,692 to show that they had some 980 00:26:05,482 --> 00:26:08,692 things that were wrong 981 00:26:05,482 --> 00:26:08,692 and then address it... 982 00:26:10,278 --> 00:26:12,029 I don't regret that. 983 00:26:12,071 --> 00:26:16,409 Because you can't save 984 00:26:12,071 --> 00:26:16,409 everybody, but I can try. 985 00:26:16,451 --> 00:26:18,702 They're not gonna like it, 986 00:26:16,451 --> 00:26:18,702 but I'll keep trying. 987 00:26:26,627 --> 00:26:28,712 In California, there is 988 00:26:26,627 --> 00:26:28,712 a push right now, 989 00:26:28,754 --> 00:26:30,507 primarily from one organization, 990 00:26:30,548 --> 00:26:33,717 to try and force performers 991 00:26:30,548 --> 00:26:33,717 to wear condoms 992 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,387 amongst other safety gear, 993 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,387 at all times. 994 00:26:36,429 --> 00:26:38,264 And the truth of the matter is 995 00:26:38,306 --> 00:26:40,641 there are negative 996 00:26:38,306 --> 00:26:40,641 effects of condoms. 997 00:26:40,683 --> 00:26:42,601 But we're not allowed 998 00:26:40,683 --> 00:26:42,601 to talk about them 999 00:26:42,643 --> 00:26:45,688 because it's so difficult 1000 00:26:42,643 --> 00:26:45,688 to get people to use them 1001 00:26:42,643 --> 00:26:45,688 in the first place. 1002 00:26:45,729 --> 00:26:48,399 You can imagine that's not 1003 00:26:45,729 --> 00:26:48,399 a very popular topic. 1004 00:26:48,441 --> 00:26:51,777 The truth of the matter is 1005 00:26:48,441 --> 00:26:51,777 when people use condoms, 1006 00:26:51,819 --> 00:26:53,488 as compared 1007 00:26:51,819 --> 00:26:53,488 to not using condoms, 1008 00:26:53,530 --> 00:26:56,157 it's been tested with people 1009 00:26:53,530 --> 00:26:56,157 within the same partner, 1010 00:26:56,199 --> 00:26:58,784 that condom use does 1011 00:26:56,199 --> 00:26:58,784 increase the presence 1012 00:26:58,826 --> 00:27:01,329 of three different types 1013 00:26:58,826 --> 00:27:01,329 of bacteria, at least, 1014 00:26:58,826 --> 00:27:01,329 in the vagina, 1015 00:27:01,371 --> 00:27:04,040 and also causes erythema, 1016 00:27:01,371 --> 00:27:04,040 or a reddening in the vulva, 1017 00:27:04,081 --> 00:27:06,584 which is consistent 1018 00:27:04,081 --> 00:27:06,584 with more tearing. 1019 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:09,295 So if the performers 1020 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:09,295 are testing, 1021 00:27:09,337 --> 00:27:11,130 and they know 1022 00:27:09,337 --> 00:27:11,130 that they're clean, 1023 00:27:11,172 --> 00:27:12,840 by using condoms, 1024 00:27:11,172 --> 00:27:12,840 they're probably 1025 00:27:12,882 --> 00:27:15,134 increasing their risk 1026 00:27:12,882 --> 00:27:15,134 of bacterial infection. 1027 00:27:15,176 --> 00:27:18,762 So they actually have a really 1028 00:27:15,176 --> 00:27:18,762 good ground to argue against 1029 00:27:18,804 --> 00:27:21,015 the use of condoms, 1030 00:27:18,804 --> 00:27:21,015 especially in the context, 1031 00:27:21,057 --> 00:27:22,600 in the way that 1032 00:27:21,057 --> 00:27:22,600 they're using them. 1033 00:27:22,641 --> 00:27:25,686 Because there is some associated 1034 00:27:22,641 --> 00:27:25,686 increased risk with it. 1035 00:27:25,728 --> 00:27:28,022 However, you can 1036 00:27:25,728 --> 00:27:28,022 imagine the knee-jerk 1037 00:27:28,064 --> 00:27:30,233 to that kind of response. 1038 00:27:30,274 --> 00:27:34,028 Especially, you know, I work 1039 00:27:30,274 --> 00:27:34,028 with a lot of HIV researchers. 1040 00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:36,447 We do not want 1041 00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:36,447 to have this conversation. 1042 00:27:36,489 --> 00:27:40,618 Just because it's so difficult 1043 00:27:36,489 --> 00:27:40,618 to get people who aren't being 1044 00:27:36,489 --> 00:27:40,618 tested like the performers are 1045 00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:42,412 to use condoms 1046 00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:42,412 in the first place. 1047 00:27:42,453 --> 00:27:44,163 We would hate 1048 00:27:42,453 --> 00:27:44,163 to discourage their use 1049 00:27:44,205 --> 00:27:45,956 amongst those type of folks. 1050 00:27:45,998 --> 00:27:48,042 But I think amongst performers, 1051 00:27:48,084 --> 00:27:50,836 it's probably very reasonable 1052 00:27:48,084 --> 00:27:50,836 to let them make that decision. 1053 00:28:02,848 --> 00:28:07,186 This painting is the quickest 1054 00:28:02,848 --> 00:28:07,186 painting I've ever done. 1055 00:28:07,228 --> 00:28:09,146 My boyfriend and I were-- 1056 00:28:09,188 --> 00:28:11,232 You know how you get in 1057 00:28:09,188 --> 00:28:11,232 little spats, little fights? 1058 00:28:11,274 --> 00:28:13,234 We were fighting 1059 00:28:11,274 --> 00:28:13,234 and I went to bed, 1060 00:28:13,276 --> 00:28:16,279 and I couldn't sleep. 1061 00:28:13,276 --> 00:28:16,279 I was furious with him. 1062 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,739 And I got up, it was 1063 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,739 three o'clock in the morning, 1064 00:28:18,781 --> 00:28:21,700 and I came down and I grabbed 1065 00:28:18,781 --> 00:28:21,700 my biggest canvas that I had, 1066 00:28:21,742 --> 00:28:24,287 and just let it all out. 1067 00:28:24,328 --> 00:28:25,913 That's how most 1068 00:28:24,328 --> 00:28:25,913 of my paintings go. 1069 00:28:25,955 --> 00:28:28,916 You know, I don't have any 1070 00:28:25,955 --> 00:28:28,916 training, it's just what I feel. 1071 00:28:28,958 --> 00:28:31,210 So, this one 1072 00:28:28,958 --> 00:28:31,210 is called "Mad Love." 1073 00:28:31,252 --> 00:28:32,836 [laughs] 1074 00:28:32,878 --> 00:28:35,172 And it's actually 1075 00:28:32,878 --> 00:28:35,172 one of my favorites. 1076 00:28:44,807 --> 00:28:48,144 Grr. Arf. Arf. 1077 00:28:44,807 --> 00:28:48,144 Give it up. 1078 00:28:48,185 --> 00:28:50,438 [Ginger Lynn] 1079 00:28:48,185 --> 00:28:50,438 I'm originally from 1080 00:28:48,185 --> 00:28:50,438 Rockford, Illinois. 1081 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,983 And there are two things 1082 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,983 that came out of Rockford 1083 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,983 that are famous. 1084 00:28:54,024 --> 00:28:56,235 Cheap Trick, and Ginger Lynn. 1085 00:28:56,277 --> 00:29:00,239 [rock music playing] 1086 00:29:07,163 --> 00:29:10,207 Porn, it had gone from 1087 00:29:07,163 --> 00:29:10,207 the place where 1088 00:29:10,249 --> 00:29:12,627 you sat in a theater 1089 00:29:10,249 --> 00:29:12,627 in your raincoat and jerked off 1090 00:29:12,669 --> 00:29:16,172 to you bought a VCR, and you 1091 00:29:12,669 --> 00:29:16,172 got a Ginger Lynn movie. 1092 00:29:17,214 --> 00:29:19,967 I was one of the first girls 1093 00:29:20,009 --> 00:29:22,428 that didn't look like 1094 00:29:20,009 --> 00:29:22,428 I did what I did. 1095 00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:25,306 I became 1096 00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:25,306 so well known so quickly. 1097 00:29:25,348 --> 00:29:28,392 A lot of mainstream actors 1098 00:29:25,348 --> 00:29:28,392 knew who I was. 1099 00:29:28,434 --> 00:29:32,062 They were as excited to meet me 1100 00:29:28,434 --> 00:29:32,062 as I was to meet them. 1101 00:29:32,104 --> 00:29:34,649 I was, you know, 1102 00:29:32,104 --> 00:29:34,649 their first porn. 1103 00:29:38,361 --> 00:29:41,155 -In the '80s when it was 1104 00:29:38,361 --> 00:29:41,155 cool to be a porn star... 1105 00:29:38,361 --> 00:29:41,155 -[Man] Yeah. 1106 00:29:41,197 --> 00:29:44,325 ...and celebrities 1107 00:29:41,197 --> 00:29:44,325 wanted to meet you, 1108 00:29:44,367 --> 00:29:47,786 I went to lunch 1109 00:29:44,367 --> 00:29:47,786 with my attorney, 1110 00:29:47,828 --> 00:29:49,455 and Milton Berle... 1111 00:29:50,707 --> 00:29:52,542 I'm 21 years old, 1112 00:29:52,583 --> 00:29:54,251 I'm sitting in 1113 00:29:52,583 --> 00:29:54,251 this old Hollywood, 1114 00:29:54,293 --> 00:29:57,838 dark wood, 1115 00:29:54,293 --> 00:29:57,838 red leather seat restaurant, 1116 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,300 and I'm in between 1117 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,300 my attorney and Milton Berle, 1118 00:30:01,342 --> 00:30:05,638 and Milton Berle unzips his 1119 00:30:01,342 --> 00:30:05,638 pants and whips his dick out. 1120 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,224 Just whips it right out 1121 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,224 in the restaurant 1122 00:30:08,265 --> 00:30:10,309 right in front of me. 1123 00:30:10,351 --> 00:30:13,354 And I'm trying 1124 00:30:10,351 --> 00:30:13,354 to maintain eye contact, 1125 00:30:13,396 --> 00:30:15,690 but it's very difficult. 1126 00:30:13,396 --> 00:30:15,690 I kept looking down at it. 1127 00:30:15,732 --> 00:30:18,693 He never tried anything, 1128 00:30:15,732 --> 00:30:18,693 didn't try to touch me, 1129 00:30:18,735 --> 00:30:20,986 didn't play with it, 1130 00:30:18,735 --> 00:30:20,986 he just whipped it out 1131 00:30:21,028 --> 00:30:23,947 and let it hang the whole 1132 00:30:21,028 --> 00:30:23,947 dinner-- the whole lunch. 1133 00:30:23,989 --> 00:30:25,366 [Man] 1134 00:30:23,989 --> 00:30:25,366 Are the stories true? 1135 00:30:25,408 --> 00:30:28,035 Oh, it's huge! It's huge! 1136 00:30:28,077 --> 00:30:30,621 He would give John Holmes 1137 00:30:28,077 --> 00:30:30,621 a run for the money. 1138 00:30:30,663 --> 00:30:34,375 Big, huge, honkin' dick. 1139 00:30:30,663 --> 00:30:34,375 [laughs] 1140 00:30:34,417 --> 00:30:39,838 I started my adult film career 1141 00:30:34,417 --> 00:30:39,838 December 9th, 1983. 1142 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,051 I turned 21 five days later 1143 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,051 on December 14th. 1144 00:30:44,093 --> 00:30:47,638 I filmed until 1145 00:30:44,093 --> 00:30:47,638 February 11th 1986. 1146 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,015 But the thing I remember 1147 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,015 about that last day-- 1148 00:30:50,057 --> 00:30:52,351 It was a couple weeks 1149 00:30:50,057 --> 00:30:52,351 before I quit, 1150 00:30:52,393 --> 00:30:53,477 I woke up, 1151 00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:55,479 and most days I would 1152 00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:55,479 wake up and go, 1153 00:30:55,521 --> 00:30:57,690 "Yes! I'm going to have 1154 00:30:55,521 --> 00:30:57,690 sex with this person today! 1155 00:30:57,732 --> 00:30:59,776 "I'm gonna fuck that person, 1156 00:30:57,732 --> 00:30:59,776 eat this pussy," 1157 00:30:59,817 --> 00:31:01,318 and I would be so excited. 1158 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,154 I woke up this 1159 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,154 one particular morning 1160 00:31:04,196 --> 00:31:05,782 and I said to myself, 1161 00:31:05,823 --> 00:31:08,909 I don't want to fuck today. 1162 00:31:05,823 --> 00:31:08,909 I'm done." 1163 00:31:08,951 --> 00:31:11,829 So, I was under contract 1164 00:31:08,951 --> 00:31:11,829 with Vivid Video at the time. 1165 00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:13,497 I went into Vivid and said, 1166 00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:13,497 you know, 1167 00:31:13,539 --> 00:31:15,458 I talked to the owner and said, 1168 00:31:15,499 --> 00:31:19,169 "My head's not in the right 1169 00:31:15,499 --> 00:31:19,169 place and I can't do this." 1170 00:31:19,211 --> 00:31:21,589 He said, "Cool, I understand. 1171 00:31:21,631 --> 00:31:23,215 "Is there any way 1172 00:31:21,631 --> 00:31:23,215 that you could finish 1173 00:31:23,257 --> 00:31:25,384 "your last two 1174 00:31:23,257 --> 00:31:25,384 films under contract?" 1175 00:31:25,426 --> 00:31:27,303 And I said yes. 1176 00:31:27,344 --> 00:31:30,180 And February 11th, 1177 00:31:27,344 --> 00:31:30,180 I came home, 1178 00:31:30,222 --> 00:31:32,224 and my boyfriend 1179 00:31:30,222 --> 00:31:32,224 had taken our bathtub 1180 00:31:32,266 --> 00:31:36,520 and filled it with gallons 1181 00:31:32,266 --> 00:31:36,520 and gallons and gallons of milk 1182 00:31:36,562 --> 00:31:38,272 and white rose petals. 1183 00:31:38,314 --> 00:31:42,276 And I had a cleansing bath that 1184 00:31:38,314 --> 00:31:42,276 I was done with the business. 1185 00:31:42,318 --> 00:31:46,071 And there was something 1186 00:31:42,318 --> 00:31:46,071 really romantic about that. 1187 00:31:46,113 --> 00:31:48,282 It was like, 1188 00:31:46,113 --> 00:31:48,282 it really was a cleansing. 1189 00:31:48,324 --> 00:31:50,451 And not that there's anything 1190 00:31:48,324 --> 00:31:50,451 bad about what I did, 1191 00:31:50,493 --> 00:31:53,412 but I was moving on 1192 00:31:50,493 --> 00:31:53,412 to another phase of my life. 1193 00:31:53,454 --> 00:31:55,581 When I quit, I didn't think 1194 00:31:53,454 --> 00:31:55,581 about the big picture. 1195 00:31:55,623 --> 00:31:56,707 What am I gonna do next? 1196 00:31:56,749 --> 00:31:58,334 I owned a house 1197 00:31:56,749 --> 00:31:58,334 in Beverly Hills. 1198 00:31:58,375 --> 00:31:59,960 I had a mortgage to pay. 1199 00:32:02,963 --> 00:32:05,842 I guess I would say yes, 1200 00:32:05,883 --> 00:32:08,135 I did always want to be in 1201 00:32:05,883 --> 00:32:08,135 the entertainment business 1202 00:32:08,177 --> 00:32:10,929 without really realizing it. 1203 00:32:10,971 --> 00:32:13,098 And I am now. 1204 00:32:13,140 --> 00:32:15,142 So I broke into 1205 00:32:13,140 --> 00:32:15,142 the mainstream arena. 1206 00:32:15,184 --> 00:32:17,603 I worked on dozens of films. 1207 00:32:17,645 --> 00:32:20,022 I've got a new film coming out 1208 00:32:17,645 --> 00:32:20,022 called "Lost Souls." 1209 00:32:20,063 --> 00:32:22,399 -Oh, wow. 1210 00:32:20,063 --> 00:32:22,399 -Should be out for Halloween. 1211 00:32:22,441 --> 00:32:24,276 Another film. 1212 00:32:24,318 --> 00:32:26,779 I have a very small role in 1213 00:32:24,318 --> 00:32:26,779 the Coen Brothers new film 1214 00:32:24,318 --> 00:32:26,779 "The Big Lebowski." 1215 00:32:26,821 --> 00:32:28,572 -What else? 1216 00:32:26,821 --> 00:32:28,572 -Oh, wow. 1217 00:32:28,614 --> 00:32:30,949 "Wing Commander: Prophecy" 1218 00:32:28,614 --> 00:32:30,949 with Mark Hamill 1219 00:32:28,614 --> 00:32:30,949 will be out for Christmas. 1220 00:32:30,991 --> 00:32:34,286 And "God's Lonely Man" 1221 00:32:30,991 --> 00:32:34,286 with Justine Bateman 1222 00:32:30,991 --> 00:32:34,286 will be out soon. 1223 00:32:34,328 --> 00:32:35,788 Wow! 1224 00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:39,166 This is gonna sound awful. 1225 00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:39,166 I was having really shitty sex. 1226 00:32:39,208 --> 00:32:41,711 I couldn't find a lover 1227 00:32:39,208 --> 00:32:41,711 that could satisfy me 1228 00:32:41,752 --> 00:32:43,671 to save my life for years. 1229 00:32:43,713 --> 00:32:46,173 I just wanted 1230 00:32:43,713 --> 00:32:46,173 to get fucked good. 1231 00:32:46,215 --> 00:32:49,092 I just really wanted-- 1232 00:32:46,215 --> 00:32:49,092 I wanted to have sex with girls. 1233 00:32:49,134 --> 00:32:50,594 I wanted to get fucked by boys. 1234 00:32:50,636 --> 00:32:52,638 I wanted to-- 1235 00:32:50,636 --> 00:32:52,638 I wanted good sex. 1236 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,516 So I went to Vivid, 1237 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,516 I went to Wicked, 1238 00:32:55,558 --> 00:33:00,062 and I went to VCA, 1239 00:32:55,558 --> 00:33:00,062 and made exorbitant requests. 1240 00:33:00,103 --> 00:33:02,022 Making a comeback, 1241 00:33:00,103 --> 00:33:02,022 this is what I want. 1242 00:33:02,064 --> 00:33:04,650 Get all three of the companies, 1243 00:33:02,064 --> 00:33:04,650 made me an offer, 1244 00:33:04,692 --> 00:33:06,819 and I decided 1245 00:33:04,692 --> 00:33:06,819 to go with VCA. 1246 00:33:06,861 --> 00:33:08,696 And there's a film I did 1247 00:33:06,861 --> 00:33:08,696 called "Taken." 1248 00:33:08,738 --> 00:33:12,449 The director was Veronica Hart. 1249 00:33:08,738 --> 00:33:12,449 She came to me and she said, 1250 00:33:12,491 --> 00:33:15,369 "Ginger, you know, I just don't 1251 00:33:12,491 --> 00:33:15,369 think this is gonna happen. 1252 00:33:15,411 --> 00:33:17,955 "And I think you're the only 1253 00:33:15,411 --> 00:33:17,955 actress that can pull this off. 1254 00:33:17,996 --> 00:33:19,707 "I want to make it into a porn, 1255 00:33:19,749 --> 00:33:21,876 and I want you 1256 00:33:19,749 --> 00:33:21,876 to be the star in it." 1257 00:33:21,918 --> 00:33:23,794 I won best actress for 1258 00:33:21,918 --> 00:33:23,794 that film that year. 1259 00:33:23,836 --> 00:33:27,965 And it's the only 1260 00:33:23,836 --> 00:33:27,965 best actress award I've won 1261 00:33:23,836 --> 00:33:27,965 that I thought I deserved. 1262 00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:30,300 I'd become an actress. 1263 00:33:32,344 --> 00:33:33,971 A lot of people 1264 00:33:32,344 --> 00:33:33,971 that get into porn, 1265 00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:35,681 there is no life after porn. 1266 00:33:35,723 --> 00:33:37,641 They don't know 1267 00:33:35,723 --> 00:33:37,641 what to do with themselves. 1268 00:33:37,683 --> 00:33:40,603 And if you're known as 1269 00:33:37,683 --> 00:33:40,603 a sex object your whole life 1270 00:33:40,644 --> 00:33:42,563 and sex is all you know, 1271 00:33:42,605 --> 00:33:44,565 where do you go? 1272 00:33:42,605 --> 00:33:44,565 How do you apply for a job? 1273 00:33:44,607 --> 00:33:48,235 You know, I've been fucking 1274 00:33:44,607 --> 00:33:48,235 on film for the last 30 years? 1275 00:33:48,277 --> 00:33:50,863 And it's important that you 1276 00:33:48,277 --> 00:33:50,863 think about your future. 1277 00:33:50,905 --> 00:33:54,283 You think about what's 1278 00:33:50,905 --> 00:33:54,283 going to happen afterwards. 1279 00:33:54,324 --> 00:33:55,868 I've been really lucky with-- 1280 00:33:55,910 --> 00:33:57,661 you know, 1281 00:33:55,910 --> 00:33:57,661 I started three Web sites 1282 00:33:57,703 --> 00:34:01,331 as well as doing my paintings 1283 00:34:01,373 --> 00:34:03,375 and everything, 1284 00:34:01,373 --> 00:34:03,375 I have my auction site. 1285 00:34:03,417 --> 00:34:06,503 Ginger Lynn Auctions dot com, 1286 00:34:03,417 --> 00:34:06,503 Ginger Lynn dot com, 1287 00:34:06,545 --> 00:34:09,757 and my art site, which is 1288 00:34:06,545 --> 00:34:09,757 Ginger Lynn Art dot com. 1289 00:34:09,799 --> 00:34:12,802 So I've always got a lot 1290 00:34:09,799 --> 00:34:12,802 of different eggs in the basket 1291 00:34:12,843 --> 00:34:15,012 and things to fall back on. 1292 00:34:15,053 --> 00:34:16,513 'Cause it scares me. 1293 00:34:16,555 --> 00:34:18,432 You know, I don't want to be 60 1294 00:34:18,474 --> 00:34:20,935 and have nothing to show 1295 00:34:18,474 --> 00:34:20,935 what I've worked for. 1296 00:34:23,771 --> 00:34:27,733 I did a half-a-dozen films 1297 00:34:23,771 --> 00:34:27,733 in, like, 2005. 1298 00:34:29,652 --> 00:34:32,529 I wouldn't recommend anybody 1299 00:34:29,652 --> 00:34:32,529 get into the business today. 1300 00:34:32,571 --> 00:34:36,199 I just wouldn't. 1301 00:34:32,571 --> 00:34:36,199 It's changed so much. 1302 00:34:36,241 --> 00:34:38,702 I had been cast on a film, 1303 00:34:38,744 --> 00:34:41,622 and there was somebody else 1304 00:34:38,744 --> 00:34:41,622 doing a scene before me, 1305 00:34:41,664 --> 00:34:45,459 very famous, very well known 1306 00:34:41,664 --> 00:34:45,459 actress in the business, 1307 00:34:45,501 --> 00:34:47,044 good friend of mine. 1308 00:34:47,085 --> 00:34:49,630 And she was 1309 00:34:47,085 --> 00:34:49,630 sitting on the sofa, 1310 00:34:49,672 --> 00:34:51,924 and there was her costar 1311 00:34:49,672 --> 00:34:51,924 on the other end of the sofa. 1312 00:34:51,966 --> 00:34:53,592 This is before filming. 1313 00:34:53,634 --> 00:34:56,386 I used to get in trouble 1314 00:34:53,634 --> 00:34:56,386 on every single set. 1315 00:34:56,428 --> 00:34:59,181 Once my makeup was done, 1316 00:34:56,428 --> 00:34:59,181 I'm on you. 1317 00:34:59,222 --> 00:35:01,391 I'd be sucking your dick, 1318 00:34:59,222 --> 00:35:01,391 I'd be kissing you, you know, 1319 00:35:01,433 --> 00:35:03,060 and then have to redo my makeup. 1320 00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:06,355 I'd get in trouble all the time 1321 00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:06,355 because I wanted to be there. 1322 00:35:06,396 --> 00:35:10,985 These two people sat 1323 00:35:06,396 --> 00:35:10,985 on opposite ends of the sofa 1324 00:35:06,396 --> 00:35:10,985 on their phones. 1325 00:35:11,027 --> 00:35:14,154 And then they called, you know, 1326 00:35:11,027 --> 00:35:14,154 "We're ready for you on set," 1327 00:35:11,027 --> 00:35:14,154 and they just went and fucked. 1328 00:35:14,196 --> 00:35:17,574 There was no connection, 1329 00:35:14,196 --> 00:35:17,574 no nothing. 1330 00:35:17,616 --> 00:35:21,912 Sex is such 1331 00:35:17,616 --> 00:35:21,912 an intimate thing, for me, 1332 00:35:21,954 --> 00:35:24,373 that I have to like you 1333 00:35:21,954 --> 00:35:24,373 to fuck you. 1334 00:35:24,414 --> 00:35:26,917 I have to want 1335 00:35:24,414 --> 00:35:26,917 to be with you. 1336 00:35:26,959 --> 00:35:29,670 I want that buildup, 1337 00:35:26,959 --> 00:35:29,670 that anticipation, 1338 00:35:29,712 --> 00:35:31,047 that "I can't wait." 1339 00:35:29,712 --> 00:35:31,047 You know? 1340 00:35:31,088 --> 00:35:34,466 If you're in an industry 1341 00:35:31,088 --> 00:35:34,466 that's that intimate, 1342 00:35:34,508 --> 00:35:36,969 you need to love 1343 00:35:34,508 --> 00:35:36,969 what you're doing. 1344 00:35:37,011 --> 00:35:39,055 I always have said 1345 00:35:39,096 --> 00:35:41,515 if you call me a whore, 1346 00:35:39,096 --> 00:35:41,515 I'll, like, want to punch you. 1347 00:35:41,557 --> 00:35:43,976 You can call me 1348 00:35:41,557 --> 00:35:43,976 a slut all day long. 1349 00:35:44,018 --> 00:35:46,979 I like to fuck, and I've 1350 00:35:44,018 --> 00:35:46,979 fucked a lot of people. 1351 00:35:47,021 --> 00:35:48,438 But I've never been a whore. 1352 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,192 And if I worked at McDonald's 1353 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,192 and didn't like it, 1354 00:35:52,234 --> 00:35:53,569 I'd be a whore. 1355 00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:55,445 It doesn't necessarily 1356 00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:55,445 have to do with sex. 1357 00:35:55,487 --> 00:35:59,241 Doing something 1358 00:35:55,487 --> 00:35:59,241 you don't want to for money 1359 00:35:55,487 --> 00:35:59,241 is a whore in my opinion. 1360 00:36:08,876 --> 00:36:11,962 A lot of the women 1361 00:36:08,876 --> 00:36:11,962 in the adult film industry 1362 00:36:12,004 --> 00:36:16,759 completely separate their porn 1363 00:36:12,004 --> 00:36:16,759 lives from their personal lives. 1364 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,386 They don't mix, 1365 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,386 they have different names. 1366 00:36:19,428 --> 00:36:26,184 And they turn their porn star 1367 00:36:19,428 --> 00:36:26,184 on and off as needed. 1368 00:36:26,226 --> 00:36:27,978 What I've chosen to do-- 1369 00:36:28,020 --> 00:36:30,188 I don't know if I chose it 1370 00:36:28,020 --> 00:36:30,188 or it just happened-- 1371 00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:34,777 is I brought Ginger-- 1372 00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:34,777 Ginger Lynn Allen-- to the set. 1373 00:36:34,818 --> 00:36:38,030 Everything that you see me 1374 00:36:34,818 --> 00:36:38,030 do on film is me. 1375 00:36:38,072 --> 00:36:40,616 My energy, my bubbles, 1376 00:36:38,072 --> 00:36:40,616 my enthusiasm. 1377 00:36:40,657 --> 00:36:44,411 That's who I am. There is no 1378 00:36:40,657 --> 00:36:44,411 Ginger Lynn and Ginger Allen. 1379 00:36:44,453 --> 00:36:45,621 They're the same person. 1380 00:36:45,662 --> 00:36:47,539 I have porn star Tourette's. 1381 00:36:47,581 --> 00:36:49,666 I say things I shouldn't say 1382 00:36:47,581 --> 00:36:49,666 when I shouldn't say them. 1383 00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:52,628 I own every choice 1384 00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:52,628 that I've ever made. 1385 00:36:52,669 --> 00:36:55,172 I'm not ashamed 1386 00:36:52,669 --> 00:36:55,172 of anything I've done. 1387 00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:58,175 I have lived 1388 00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:58,175 an amazing life. 1389 00:36:58,216 --> 00:37:00,094 I have absolutely no regrets. 1390 00:37:00,136 --> 00:37:04,765 And I like Ginger Lynn. 1391 00:37:00,136 --> 00:37:04,765 And I like Ginger Allen. 1392 00:37:04,807 --> 00:37:06,892 Because they're the same person. 1393 00:37:06,934 --> 00:37:09,311 [rock music playing] 1394 00:37:17,486 --> 00:37:20,030 [camera shutters clicking] 1395 00:37:20,072 --> 00:37:22,574 [noisy chattering] 1396 00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:26,912 Um, I got in because I wanted 1397 00:37:24,367 --> 00:37:26,912 to try something new. 1398 00:37:26,954 --> 00:37:28,789 'Cause, you know, I'm just, 1399 00:37:26,954 --> 00:37:28,789 like, a college student. 1400 00:37:28,831 --> 00:37:30,666 Going to classes, working. 1401 00:37:30,707 --> 00:37:33,460 That whole, like, life, 1402 00:37:30,707 --> 00:37:33,460 trying to barely live. 1403 00:37:33,502 --> 00:37:35,212 And so I was like, 1404 00:37:33,502 --> 00:37:35,212 "Yeah, I'm gonna do porn. 1405 00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:37,089 "I like sex. 1406 00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:37,089 Why not? Fuck it." 1407 00:37:37,131 --> 00:37:38,966 So I got into it, 1408 00:37:39,008 --> 00:37:40,759 and like, I really 1409 00:37:39,008 --> 00:37:40,759 love it so far. 1410 00:37:40,801 --> 00:37:43,846 I'm still in school, you know. 1411 00:37:40,801 --> 00:37:43,846 My major is business, 1412 00:37:43,887 --> 00:37:47,016 so once I graduate I'm gonna 1413 00:37:43,887 --> 00:37:47,016 go into real estate. 1414 00:37:47,057 --> 00:37:50,352 So if I'm still doing porn then, 1415 00:37:47,057 --> 00:37:50,352 like, yeah, whatever, side job. 1416 00:37:50,393 --> 00:37:52,021 But like, you know. 1417 00:37:52,062 --> 00:37:54,106 That's what I'm, like, 1418 00:37:52,062 --> 00:37:54,106 going in for right now. 1419 00:37:54,148 --> 00:37:55,191 [chuckles] 1420 00:37:55,232 --> 00:37:57,359 [film reel whirring] 1421 00:38:05,575 --> 00:38:07,410 I'm Johnnie Keyes, man. 1422 00:38:05,575 --> 00:38:07,410 Who are you? 1423 00:38:07,452 --> 00:38:10,330 [rock music playing] 1424 00:38:13,709 --> 00:38:15,211 [woman moaning] 1425 00:38:15,252 --> 00:38:17,004 [Woman] 1426 00:38:15,252 --> 00:38:17,004 Are we in heaven? 1427 00:38:17,046 --> 00:38:20,549 Baby, you're in the back seat 1428 00:38:17,046 --> 00:38:20,549 of a Cadillac Brougham. 1429 00:38:20,590 --> 00:38:22,718 That's as close to heaven 1430 00:38:20,590 --> 00:38:22,718 as you're gonna get. 1431 00:38:27,264 --> 00:38:31,601 [Keyes] 1432 00:38:27,264 --> 00:38:31,601 The most happiest 1433 00:38:27,264 --> 00:38:31,601 I am on this planet: 1434 00:38:31,643 --> 00:38:35,689 hugging my son or granddaughter, 1435 00:38:31,643 --> 00:38:35,689 singing jazz, 1436 00:38:35,731 --> 00:38:38,692 and getting all 1437 00:38:35,731 --> 00:38:38,692 the pussy I can get. 1438 00:38:38,734 --> 00:38:39,902 That's it. 1439 00:38:59,629 --> 00:39:03,466 I was raised 1440 00:38:59,629 --> 00:39:03,466 during the '40s and '50s 1441 00:39:03,508 --> 00:39:05,510 when this country 1442 00:39:03,508 --> 00:39:05,510 was a different place, 1443 00:39:07,429 --> 00:39:10,348 when the Italians 1444 00:39:07,429 --> 00:39:10,348 used to call me a "jig," 1445 00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:13,269 which is 1446 00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:13,269 the guy dancing, right? 1447 00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:16,021 I was raised in the ghetto, 1448 00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:16,021 where poor people was, right? 1449 00:39:16,063 --> 00:39:19,900 You know. Catholic school, 1450 00:39:16,063 --> 00:39:19,900 all that. 1451 00:39:19,942 --> 00:39:22,444 But I always 1452 00:39:19,942 --> 00:39:22,444 wanted to be a singer. 1453 00:39:23,737 --> 00:39:26,531 ♪ A-one, two, 1454 00:39:23,737 --> 00:39:26,531 a-one, two, three, four ♪ 1455 00:39:26,573 --> 00:39:29,367 [Keyes] 1456 00:39:26,573 --> 00:39:29,367 I was always singing on 1457 00:39:26,573 --> 00:39:29,367 the corner with my boys, 1458 00:39:29,409 --> 00:39:32,495 you know, doing copies 1459 00:39:29,409 --> 00:39:32,495 of all the hit music, 1460 00:39:32,537 --> 00:39:34,372 Little Richard 1461 00:39:32,537 --> 00:39:34,372 and all those guys. 1462 00:39:34,414 --> 00:39:36,458 ♪ I'm the only 1463 00:39:34,414 --> 00:39:36,458 other one you see ♪ 1464 00:39:36,499 --> 00:39:39,461 ♪ Gotta give it a chance 1465 00:39:36,499 --> 00:39:39,461 to rock her world tonight ♪ 1466 00:39:39,502 --> 00:39:41,713 ♪ Ow-woo! ♪ 1467 00:39:45,217 --> 00:39:49,721 [Keyes] 1468 00:39:45,217 --> 00:39:49,721 I was a happy teenager except 1469 00:39:45,217 --> 00:39:49,721 when I was at home, all right. 1470 00:39:49,763 --> 00:39:53,934 When I turned 16 years old, 1471 00:39:49,763 --> 00:39:53,934 I packed my shit and I left, 1472 00:39:53,976 --> 00:39:55,978 to get out of that situation. 1473 00:39:56,019 --> 00:39:59,731 My dad was alcoholic. He used 1474 00:39:56,019 --> 00:39:59,731 to beat women and beat me, 1475 00:39:59,773 --> 00:40:01,483 and I had to get out of that. 1476 00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:05,237 Hmm. 1477 00:40:07,197 --> 00:40:08,698 [voice breaking] 1478 00:40:07,197 --> 00:40:08,698 And... 1479 00:40:11,785 --> 00:40:14,997 And it's like, 1480 00:40:11,785 --> 00:40:14,997 this motherfucker, my dad, 1481 00:40:15,038 --> 00:40:17,582 he fucking didn't 1482 00:40:15,038 --> 00:40:17,582 know what love was. 1483 00:40:17,624 --> 00:40:19,542 He didn't know 1484 00:40:17,624 --> 00:40:19,542 about that, you know? 1485 00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:23,088 And I can't blame him 1486 00:40:19,584 --> 00:40:23,088 'cause how he was raised. 1487 00:40:23,130 --> 00:40:26,300 He was raised during slavery. 1488 00:40:23,130 --> 00:40:26,300 I can understand that. 1489 00:40:26,342 --> 00:40:29,303 But I couldn't understand 1490 00:40:26,342 --> 00:40:29,303 how could he beat his boy? 1491 00:40:29,345 --> 00:40:31,847 How could he beat 1492 00:40:29,345 --> 00:40:31,847 his fucking son? 1493 00:40:31,888 --> 00:40:34,224 And I said, "I gotta go. 1494 00:40:31,888 --> 00:40:34,224 I gotta get out of here," 1495 00:40:34,266 --> 00:40:35,351 so I left home. 1496 00:40:35,392 --> 00:40:37,686 Geez, can I get 1497 00:40:35,392 --> 00:40:37,686 a napkin? Fuck. 1498 00:40:40,772 --> 00:40:43,483 You know, every time I talk 1499 00:40:40,772 --> 00:40:43,483 about that, it fucks me up. 1500 00:40:45,068 --> 00:40:47,112 I had to leave. I got out. 1501 00:40:49,698 --> 00:40:51,491 So, I joined the Army, 1502 00:40:51,533 --> 00:40:54,661 and I became 1503 00:40:51,533 --> 00:40:54,661 the boxing champion, 1504 00:40:54,703 --> 00:40:56,663 the lightweight 1505 00:40:54,703 --> 00:40:56,663 champion of the world. 1506 00:40:56,705 --> 00:41:00,167 The United States Army 1507 00:40:56,705 --> 00:41:00,167 sent me to 37 countries. 1508 00:41:00,209 --> 00:41:02,378 And all I did was 1509 00:41:00,209 --> 00:41:02,378 kick ass and take names 1510 00:41:02,419 --> 00:41:03,920 'cause I had a lot of anger. 1511 00:41:03,962 --> 00:41:07,132 And so when I would get in 1512 00:41:03,962 --> 00:41:07,132 the ring with another opponent, 1513 00:41:07,174 --> 00:41:09,343 he had no chance. 1514 00:41:12,054 --> 00:41:15,015 [sultry jazz music playing] 1515 00:41:19,853 --> 00:41:21,146 When I got 1516 00:41:19,853 --> 00:41:21,146 into the "Green Door." 1517 00:41:21,188 --> 00:41:22,314 I got in 1518 00:41:21,188 --> 00:41:22,314 the "Green Door" like 1519 00:41:22,356 --> 00:41:24,691 I stumbled over it 1520 00:41:22,356 --> 00:41:24,691 backwards falling, right? 1521 00:41:24,733 --> 00:41:26,402 "The Green Door," 1522 00:41:24,733 --> 00:41:26,402 when I did that movie. 1523 00:41:26,443 --> 00:41:28,611 Now, when the people came 1524 00:41:26,443 --> 00:41:28,611 to me with the "Green Door," 1525 00:41:28,653 --> 00:41:30,197 here's what happened. 1526 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,366 So we went down there. It was 1527 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,366 the Mitchell Brothers theatre 1528 00:41:32,408 --> 00:41:33,909 who produced the "Green Door." 1529 00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:36,286 I went down there, I did 1530 00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:36,286 the audition and everything. 1531 00:41:36,328 --> 00:41:38,788 And then when they came 1532 00:41:36,328 --> 00:41:38,788 back to me, they said, 1533 00:41:38,830 --> 00:41:41,375 "Well, listen man, 1534 00:41:38,830 --> 00:41:41,375 we're making an erotic film." 1535 00:41:41,417 --> 00:41:42,792 I went, "What do you 1536 00:41:41,417 --> 00:41:42,792 mean, erotic?" 1537 00:41:42,834 --> 00:41:44,086 "A fuck movie." 1538 00:41:44,127 --> 00:41:45,712 I go, "Oh, yeah. Okay, cool." 1539 00:41:45,754 --> 00:41:48,006 Jim Mitchell, Art Mitchell, 1540 00:41:45,754 --> 00:41:48,006 they're upstairs, 1541 00:41:48,048 --> 00:41:49,716 over at the O'Farrell Theatre. 1542 00:41:48,048 --> 00:41:49,716 They go, "Johnnie, 1543 00:41:49,758 --> 00:41:51,343 "you're gonna be 1544 00:41:49,758 --> 00:41:51,343 the man behind the door, 1545 00:41:51,385 --> 00:41:55,722 and you're gonna 1546 00:41:51,385 --> 00:41:55,722 have a sex scene 1547 00:41:51,385 --> 00:41:55,722 with Marilyn Chambers." 1548 00:41:55,764 --> 00:41:57,933 So, I go, "Okay. All right." 1549 00:41:57,974 --> 00:41:59,809 So, they bring me 1550 00:41:57,974 --> 00:41:59,809 out at the end. 1551 00:41:59,851 --> 00:42:03,521 She's 20 years old, 1552 00:41:59,851 --> 00:42:03,521 looking like a little 1553 00:41:59,851 --> 00:42:03,521 fresh white flower, right? 1554 00:42:03,563 --> 00:42:05,107 I'm going, "Yeah, right." 1555 00:42:05,148 --> 00:42:07,609 Now, come the day 1556 00:42:05,148 --> 00:42:07,609 of the shoot, right, 1557 00:42:07,650 --> 00:42:09,986 and the Mitchell Brothers had 1558 00:42:07,650 --> 00:42:09,986 a whole other thing set up. 1559 00:42:10,028 --> 00:42:11,613 I said, "Hold it, man." 1560 00:42:11,654 --> 00:42:14,908 Being a thespian myself, 1561 00:42:11,654 --> 00:42:14,908 I go, "Hold it. 1562 00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:17,327 "Here's what I'm gonna do. 1563 00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:17,327 Here's how I'm gonna 1564 00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:17,327 do the shot. 1565 00:42:17,369 --> 00:42:20,497 "I'm gonna have my 1566 00:42:17,369 --> 00:42:20,497 African necklace on, right, 1567 00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:23,250 "and when I walk 1568 00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:23,250 from behind the green door, 1569 00:42:23,292 --> 00:42:25,919 "there's women there 1570 00:42:23,292 --> 00:42:25,919 and they're trying to touch me, 1571 00:42:25,961 --> 00:42:28,046 but I'm not gonna let them 1572 00:42:25,961 --> 00:42:28,046 touch me 'cause I'm focused." 1573 00:42:28,088 --> 00:42:30,590 And Marilyn Chambers is 1574 00:42:28,088 --> 00:42:30,590 lying out there like this. 1575 00:42:30,632 --> 00:42:33,551 My eye is focused on that 1576 00:42:30,632 --> 00:42:33,551 muffin, right? You know 1577 00:42:30,632 --> 00:42:33,551 what I'm saying? 1578 00:42:33,593 --> 00:42:35,220 So, I'm looking at that. 1579 00:42:35,262 --> 00:42:37,431 And now, when we start 1580 00:42:35,262 --> 00:42:37,431 doing the sex scene, 1581 00:42:37,473 --> 00:42:39,933 I eat her pussy, and then 1582 00:42:37,473 --> 00:42:39,933 I start fucking her, right? 1583 00:42:39,975 --> 00:42:43,645 But being an athlete, 1584 00:42:43,686 --> 00:42:47,732 I fucked Marilyn for 43 minutes 1585 00:42:43,686 --> 00:42:47,732 without stopping, 1586 00:42:47,774 --> 00:42:51,820 and the last time she came, 1587 00:42:47,774 --> 00:42:51,820 she fainted. 1588 00:42:51,861 --> 00:42:53,989 And I'm looking 1589 00:42:51,861 --> 00:42:53,989 down at this woman, 1590 00:42:54,030 --> 00:42:56,199 her eyes rolled in 1591 00:42:54,030 --> 00:42:56,199 the back of her head, 1592 00:42:56,241 --> 00:42:57,826 and I went, 1593 00:42:56,241 --> 00:42:57,826 "What the hell? 1594 00:42:57,867 --> 00:42:59,702 "I done killed a white woman, 1595 00:42:57,867 --> 00:42:59,702 I'm going to jail. 1596 00:42:59,744 --> 00:43:02,498 I killed a white woman with 1597 00:42:59,744 --> 00:43:02,498 my dick! What the fuck?" 1598 00:43:02,539 --> 00:43:04,207 This is what's going on 1599 00:43:02,539 --> 00:43:04,207 in my brain 1600 00:43:04,249 --> 00:43:05,875 as I'm looking down at her, 1601 00:43:05,917 --> 00:43:08,253 and she's like... 1602 00:43:05,917 --> 00:43:08,253 "Eh," right? 1603 00:43:08,295 --> 00:43:10,297 So, they said, "Okay, Johnnie. 1604 00:43:10,339 --> 00:43:12,674 "Get back up off the pussy 1605 00:43:10,339 --> 00:43:12,674 and walk back through 1606 00:43:10,339 --> 00:43:12,674 the green door." 1607 00:43:12,715 --> 00:43:15,260 They pick Marilyn up 1608 00:43:12,715 --> 00:43:15,260 and bring her over on the side 1609 00:43:15,302 --> 00:43:18,054 and put smelling salts 1610 00:43:15,302 --> 00:43:18,054 in her nose and shit 1611 00:43:15,302 --> 00:43:18,054 to bring her around. 1612 00:43:18,096 --> 00:43:20,682 I bend down, I go, 1613 00:43:18,096 --> 00:43:20,682 "Marilyn, are you all right?" 1614 00:43:20,723 --> 00:43:22,309 And she looked at me, she goes, 1615 00:43:22,351 --> 00:43:25,562 "Oh, Johnnie, oh..." 1616 00:43:22,351 --> 00:43:25,562 She says, "Oh, Johnnie." I go... 1617 00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:28,023 I go, "What happened?" 1618 00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:28,023 She says, "I don't know." 1619 00:43:28,064 --> 00:43:30,984 She says, "I came and then 1620 00:43:28,064 --> 00:43:30,984 I went somewhere." 1621 00:43:31,026 --> 00:43:32,735 And I go, "Jesus Christ!" 1622 00:43:32,777 --> 00:43:36,448 So now, I'm back on Broadway 1623 00:43:32,777 --> 00:43:36,448 doing "Jesus Christ Superstar." 1624 00:43:36,490 --> 00:43:38,492 I get a call. 1625 00:43:36,490 --> 00:43:38,492 "Hey, Johnnie, what's up? 1626 00:43:38,534 --> 00:43:40,536 "How you doing? Yeah." 1627 00:43:38,534 --> 00:43:40,536 from the Mitchell Brothers. 1628 00:43:40,577 --> 00:43:42,454 They say, "You know 1629 00:43:40,577 --> 00:43:42,454 you're the star of this movie." 1630 00:43:42,496 --> 00:43:44,039 I go, "What you talking 1631 00:43:42,496 --> 00:43:44,039 about, man?" 1632 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,957 I said, "I'm in theater, 1633 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,957 I'm doing legitimate theater. 1634 00:43:45,999 --> 00:43:48,043 I'm not no porno star." 1635 00:43:48,084 --> 00:43:49,711 They go, 1636 00:43:48,084 --> 00:43:49,711 "Yes, you are." 1637 00:43:49,752 --> 00:43:51,171 I go, "What are 1638 00:43:49,752 --> 00:43:51,171 you talking about?" 1639 00:43:51,213 --> 00:43:54,841 They go, "We got a $50,000 check 1640 00:43:51,213 --> 00:43:54,841 waiting for you, 1641 00:43:54,883 --> 00:43:57,344 "and you gotta go 1642 00:43:54,883 --> 00:43:57,344 to Cannes Film Festival 1643 00:43:57,386 --> 00:43:59,304 because they're 1644 00:43:57,386 --> 00:43:59,304 dying to meet you." 1645 00:43:59,346 --> 00:44:02,765 And I went, "How much? 1646 00:43:59,346 --> 00:44:02,765 50,000? Okay." 1647 00:44:02,807 --> 00:44:04,184 [cash register dings] 1648 00:44:04,226 --> 00:44:07,521 So that made the myth of 1649 00:44:04,226 --> 00:44:07,521 the black dude with the big dick 1650 00:44:07,563 --> 00:44:10,690 in white society, 1651 00:44:07,563 --> 00:44:10,690 it made it real. 1652 00:44:10,732 --> 00:44:15,028 It made it real for society, 1653 00:44:10,732 --> 00:44:15,028 and they went, "What?" 1654 00:44:15,070 --> 00:44:16,446 I get off the plane, man, 1655 00:44:16,488 --> 00:44:19,074 and women are throwing 1656 00:44:16,488 --> 00:44:19,074 their panties and their keys, 1657 00:44:19,115 --> 00:44:20,950 and everything. "Oh, Johnnie!" 1658 00:44:20,992 --> 00:44:24,204 Our pavilion was 1659 00:44:20,992 --> 00:44:24,204 going 24 hours. 1660 00:44:24,246 --> 00:44:26,331 Everybody was staying 1661 00:44:24,246 --> 00:44:26,331 open like, eight hours. 1662 00:44:26,373 --> 00:44:29,209 "The Green Door" 1663 00:44:26,373 --> 00:44:29,209 was going 24/7. 1664 00:44:29,251 --> 00:44:32,421 So I get the award for 1665 00:44:29,251 --> 00:44:32,421 the best erotic film ever shot 1666 00:44:32,462 --> 00:44:34,047 and all that stuff. 1667 00:44:34,089 --> 00:44:37,008 And I come back home 1668 00:44:34,089 --> 00:44:37,008 to the United States, 1669 00:44:37,050 --> 00:44:39,386 and I figure that's it, right? 1670 00:44:39,428 --> 00:44:41,304 I figure, "Okay, 1671 00:44:39,428 --> 00:44:41,304 I'm finished with that." 1672 00:44:41,346 --> 00:44:43,265 But then all 1673 00:44:41,346 --> 00:44:43,265 this stuff happened. 1674 00:44:43,306 --> 00:44:45,100 They want me 1675 00:44:43,306 --> 00:44:45,100 to come to New York, 1676 00:44:45,141 --> 00:44:47,185 they want me 1677 00:44:45,141 --> 00:44:47,185 to come to Detroit 1678 00:44:47,227 --> 00:44:49,104 to do all these openings 1679 00:44:47,227 --> 00:44:49,104 for "the Green Door" 1680 00:44:49,145 --> 00:44:50,939 where I'm sitting 1681 00:44:49,145 --> 00:44:50,939 and signing autographs. 1682 00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:53,275 That whole deal, right? 1683 00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:53,275 That was cool. 1684 00:44:53,316 --> 00:44:55,652 Then after that me and Marilyn 1685 00:44:53,316 --> 00:44:55,652 did two more movies together. 1686 00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:58,113 "Inside Marilyn Chambers," 1687 00:44:58,154 --> 00:45:00,156 and her 1688 00:44:58,154 --> 00:45:00,156 "Resurrection of Eve." 1689 00:45:00,198 --> 00:45:03,701 Later on, when I used to go 1690 00:45:00,198 --> 00:45:03,701 to the erotic film awards, 1691 00:45:03,743 --> 00:45:06,121 all the brothers would see me, 1692 00:45:03,743 --> 00:45:06,121 they'd go like this. 1693 00:45:06,162 --> 00:45:07,997 [laughs] 1694 00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:10,708 'Cause if it weren't for me, 1695 00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:10,708 they wouldn't be there. 1696 00:45:11,751 --> 00:45:13,420 I opened the door for them. 1697 00:45:14,879 --> 00:45:16,298 Which was cool. 1698 00:45:16,339 --> 00:45:18,133 At the time I didn't 1699 00:45:16,339 --> 00:45:18,133 know what I was doing. 1700 00:45:18,174 --> 00:45:19,635 I was just 1701 00:45:18,174 --> 00:45:19,635 doing what I was doing. 1702 00:45:22,762 --> 00:45:25,348 I was doing this shot 1703 00:45:22,762 --> 00:45:25,348 for the Mitchell Brothers 1704 00:45:25,390 --> 00:45:27,183 in a theater 1705 00:45:25,390 --> 00:45:27,183 down on Market Street, 1706 00:45:27,225 --> 00:45:30,145 Market Street 1707 00:45:27,225 --> 00:45:30,145 in San Francisco. 1708 00:45:30,186 --> 00:45:33,148 I was doing a reenactment 1709 00:45:30,186 --> 00:45:33,148 of "the Green Door" 1710 00:45:33,189 --> 00:45:35,358 for a live audience. 1711 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,903 Meanwhile, they got 1712 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,903 seven cops in the audience. 1713 00:45:38,945 --> 00:45:40,989 And when I pull out my dick 1714 00:45:38,945 --> 00:45:40,989 and go to do it, 1715 00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:44,534 they all, cops just came in 1716 00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:44,534 and busted me. Took me to jail. 1717 00:45:44,576 --> 00:45:46,536 Of course the Mitchells got me 1718 00:45:44,576 --> 00:45:46,536 out insto-presto. 1719 00:45:46,578 --> 00:45:48,330 But then I went 1720 00:45:46,578 --> 00:45:48,330 before the court. 1721 00:45:48,371 --> 00:45:51,458 So we had to moved it up 1722 00:45:48,371 --> 00:45:51,458 to the California Supreme Court. 1723 00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:55,712 Fornication in a public place, 1724 00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:55,712 that was the charge. 1725 00:45:55,753 --> 00:45:57,797 And I said, "Man, I'm not 1726 00:45:55,753 --> 00:45:57,797 sticking my dick in these women. 1727 00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:00,383 I'm moving it to the side. 1728 00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:00,383 It's a play-act thing." 1729 00:46:00,425 --> 00:46:03,470 'Course, you know, those cops, 1730 00:46:00,425 --> 00:46:03,470 those motherfuckers. [laughs] 1731 00:46:03,512 --> 00:46:06,431 So, I go before 1732 00:46:03,512 --> 00:46:06,431 the Supreme Court. 1733 00:46:06,473 --> 00:46:08,308 So, they call me up 1734 00:46:06,473 --> 00:46:08,308 and they go, 1735 00:46:08,350 --> 00:46:10,893 "Okay, Johnnie, what you 1736 00:46:08,350 --> 00:46:10,893 got to say?" 1737 00:46:10,935 --> 00:46:14,564 All these old men with their 1738 00:46:10,935 --> 00:46:14,564 gray hair and their soft dicks. 1739 00:46:14,606 --> 00:46:18,694 So, I go, "Would you rather 1740 00:46:14,606 --> 00:46:18,694 for your children 1741 00:46:18,735 --> 00:46:22,698 "to see people cut each other 1742 00:46:18,735 --> 00:46:22,698 up, blow each other up, 1743 00:46:22,739 --> 00:46:24,741 "kill each other, 1744 00:46:24,782 --> 00:46:27,118 "or would you rather 1745 00:46:24,782 --> 00:46:27,118 for your children to see 1746 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,372 "people hugging and kissing 1747 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,372 and making love? 1748 00:46:30,413 --> 00:46:33,958 Which would you rather 1749 00:46:30,413 --> 00:46:33,958 for your children to see?" 1750 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,796 Of course, they can't say. 1751 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,796 They gotta say the latter, 1752 00:46:38,838 --> 00:46:40,882 the hugging and the kissing. 1753 00:46:40,923 --> 00:46:44,386 And my testimony helped change 1754 00:46:44,427 --> 00:46:47,805 the sexual mores 1755 00:46:44,427 --> 00:46:47,805 of this country. 1756 00:46:49,307 --> 00:46:54,771 It made it legal for human 1757 00:46:49,307 --> 00:46:54,771 beings to go to a store 1758 00:46:54,812 --> 00:46:59,067 and rent 1759 00:46:54,812 --> 00:46:59,067 an X-rated movie legally. 1760 00:46:59,108 --> 00:47:02,862 And I helped make that thing 1761 00:46:59,108 --> 00:47:02,862 a reality in this country. 1762 00:47:02,904 --> 00:47:05,657 So, I freed a lot 1763 00:47:02,904 --> 00:47:05,657 of dicks and pussies. 1764 00:47:05,699 --> 00:47:07,576 That's how I feel 1765 00:47:05,699 --> 00:47:07,576 about it. Know what I mean? 1766 00:47:07,617 --> 00:47:10,078 Real talk. That's real talk. 1767 00:47:13,289 --> 00:47:17,919 Years ago, I did a play on 1768 00:47:13,289 --> 00:47:17,919 Broadway called "The Wiz," 1769 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,089 and that's the black production 1770 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,089 of "The Wizard of Oz" 1771 00:47:21,130 --> 00:47:23,550 if you people don't know. 1772 00:47:23,592 --> 00:47:25,677 One night, 1773 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,181 the lead singer in the show 1774 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,181 had laryngitis. 1775 00:47:30,223 --> 00:47:32,267 And the producers came, 1776 00:47:32,308 --> 00:47:34,102 "Johnnie, can you 1777 00:47:32,308 --> 00:47:34,102 sing 'Over the Rainbow'? 1778 00:47:34,143 --> 00:47:35,853 "Because she can't sing it." 1779 00:47:35,895 --> 00:47:37,522 And I had never did 1780 00:47:35,895 --> 00:47:37,522 "Over the Rainbow" 1781 00:47:37,564 --> 00:47:39,190 'cause that wasn't 1782 00:47:37,564 --> 00:47:39,190 my part of the show. 1783 00:47:39,232 --> 00:47:41,526 'Cause I was 1784 00:47:39,232 --> 00:47:41,526 the Tin Man, right? 1785 00:47:41,568 --> 00:47:43,820 So, I go, "Okay, 1786 00:47:41,568 --> 00:47:43,820 yeah, I'll try it." 1787 00:47:43,861 --> 00:47:45,739 And so this is 1788 00:47:43,861 --> 00:47:45,739 the way I did it. 1789 00:47:48,157 --> 00:47:51,745 [piano playing melody] 1790 00:47:58,042 --> 00:48:03,465 ♪ Somewhere over the rainbow ♪ 1791 00:48:03,506 --> 00:48:06,259 [Keyes] 1792 00:48:03,506 --> 00:48:06,259 So, then after that I had a son. 1793 00:48:06,301 --> 00:48:08,470 And you know what happens 1794 00:48:06,301 --> 00:48:08,470 to men when they have boys. 1795 00:48:09,929 --> 00:48:10,888 Right? 1796 00:48:11,889 --> 00:48:14,016 This woman ran off with my boy. 1797 00:48:14,058 --> 00:48:15,811 See, I had taught school. 1798 00:48:14,058 --> 00:48:15,811 Like, I said, 1799 00:48:15,852 --> 00:48:17,771 Robin Williams was one 1800 00:48:15,852 --> 00:48:17,771 of my students and people. 1801 00:48:17,813 --> 00:48:20,440 She says, "You got a PhD. 1802 00:48:20,482 --> 00:48:23,151 "Go teach school. You don't need 1803 00:48:20,482 --> 00:48:23,151 to be making these fuck movies." 1804 00:48:23,192 --> 00:48:26,028 I said, "Let me tell you, 1805 00:48:23,192 --> 00:48:26,028 when I met you 1806 00:48:23,192 --> 00:48:26,028 I was making fuck movies. 1807 00:48:26,070 --> 00:48:27,697 "That's the reason 1808 00:48:26,070 --> 00:48:27,697 why you came to me, 1809 00:48:27,739 --> 00:48:29,282 "'cause you wanted 1810 00:48:27,739 --> 00:48:29,282 that big dick, bitch. 1811 00:48:29,324 --> 00:48:31,367 "So don't be telling me 1812 00:48:29,324 --> 00:48:31,367 about, you know, 1813 00:48:31,409 --> 00:48:33,495 "you want to change my life? 1814 00:48:33,536 --> 00:48:37,332 "You gonna come into my life now 1815 00:48:33,536 --> 00:48:37,332 and try to change me?" 1816 00:48:37,373 --> 00:48:39,501 I said, 1817 00:48:37,373 --> 00:48:39,501 "You don't have 1818 00:48:37,373 --> 00:48:39,501 that power, woman." 1819 00:48:39,542 --> 00:48:41,961 So, the first thing she did 1820 00:48:39,542 --> 00:48:41,961 was snatch my son 1821 00:48:42,003 --> 00:48:43,630 and take him away from me, 1822 00:48:43,672 --> 00:48:45,298 which broke my heart. 1823 00:48:47,342 --> 00:48:51,137 And that's when I went 1824 00:48:47,342 --> 00:48:51,137 and came up to Washington 1825 00:48:47,342 --> 00:48:51,137 to raise my boy. 1826 00:48:51,179 --> 00:48:54,098 And I raised my boy, 1827 00:48:51,179 --> 00:48:54,098 he became a Globetrotter. 1828 00:48:54,140 --> 00:48:56,601 He became one of the top 1829 00:48:54,140 --> 00:48:56,601 athletes in Washington. 1830 00:48:56,643 --> 00:48:59,103 So, I'm proud of that. 1831 00:48:59,145 --> 00:49:02,273 I talked to him 1832 00:48:59,145 --> 00:49:02,273 last night, right? 1833 00:49:02,315 --> 00:49:04,025 He said, "Listen, 1834 00:49:04,066 --> 00:49:07,320 "all the motherfuckers 1835 00:49:04,066 --> 00:49:07,320 gotta go to the Wikipedia 1836 00:49:04,066 --> 00:49:07,320 and they see you. 1837 00:49:07,362 --> 00:49:08,822 "And they know I'm your son." 1838 00:49:08,864 --> 00:49:11,073 He said, "So you don't have 1839 00:49:08,864 --> 00:49:11,073 to do it no more, Pops." 1840 00:49:11,115 --> 00:49:13,117 He said, "Pops, you don't 1841 00:49:11,115 --> 00:49:13,117 have to do that no more." 1842 00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:17,121 He said, "'Cause you are 1843 00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:17,121 what you are, 1844 00:49:17,163 --> 00:49:19,791 "and I am what I am, 1845 00:49:19,833 --> 00:49:23,586 "and no matter whatever 1846 00:49:19,833 --> 00:49:23,586 comes out in the wash, 1847 00:49:23,628 --> 00:49:25,213 we're beautiful." 1848 00:49:26,673 --> 00:49:28,257 That's my boy 1849 00:49:26,673 --> 00:49:28,257 telling me. 1850 00:49:28,299 --> 00:49:32,303 ♪ Where trouble melts 1851 00:49:28,299 --> 00:49:32,303 like lemon drops ♪ 1852 00:49:34,055 --> 00:49:35,932 I'm not saying I want 1853 00:49:34,055 --> 00:49:35,932 to exit porn. 1854 00:49:35,973 --> 00:49:39,686 I love porn for what it is 1855 00:49:35,973 --> 00:49:39,686 and how it can develop. 1856 00:49:39,728 --> 00:49:41,521 and I'm really into, like, 1857 00:49:41,563 --> 00:49:44,315 pushing the boundaries 1858 00:49:41,563 --> 00:49:44,315 of future porn, 1859 00:49:44,357 --> 00:49:46,526 of, like, I don't know, 1860 00:49:44,357 --> 00:49:46,526 technologies and stuff. 1861 00:49:46,568 --> 00:49:48,236 I'm really into, like, 1862 00:49:46,568 --> 00:49:48,236 virtual reality porn 1863 00:49:48,277 --> 00:49:49,821 and stuff like that 1864 00:49:48,277 --> 00:49:49,821 at the moment. 1865 00:49:49,863 --> 00:49:51,489 So, yeah, I'm happy 1866 00:49:49,863 --> 00:49:51,489 with what I'm doing, 1867 00:49:51,531 --> 00:49:54,200 but eventually I want 1868 00:49:51,531 --> 00:49:54,200 to direct and produce films. 1869 00:49:54,242 --> 00:49:55,911 And basically 1870 00:49:54,242 --> 00:49:55,911 push the boundaries 1871 00:49:55,952 --> 00:49:58,621 of what's out there at 1872 00:49:55,952 --> 00:49:58,621 the moment technology-wise. 1873 00:49:58,663 --> 00:50:01,165 You know? I'm doing a bit with 1874 00:49:58,663 --> 00:50:01,165 360 video work at the moment, 1875 00:50:01,207 --> 00:50:02,751 just testing and stuff. 1876 00:50:02,792 --> 00:50:04,711 And hopefully, I think, 1877 00:50:02,792 --> 00:50:04,711 that's got a lot of prospect. 1878 00:50:04,753 --> 00:50:07,714 But, yeah, porn's 1879 00:50:04,753 --> 00:50:07,714 one of them worlds, man. 1880 00:50:07,756 --> 00:50:10,049 It's ever-evolving 1881 00:50:07,756 --> 00:50:10,049 and, you know, 1882 00:50:10,091 --> 00:50:11,593 all the new technologies 1883 00:50:10,091 --> 00:50:11,593 are always found, 1884 00:50:11,634 --> 00:50:13,595 and some come and some go. 1885 00:50:13,636 --> 00:50:15,764 And I'm just grateful 1886 00:50:13,636 --> 00:50:15,764 to be where I am 1887 00:50:15,805 --> 00:50:18,391 and kind of progressing 1888 00:50:15,805 --> 00:50:18,391 with it, you know what I mean? 1889 00:50:18,433 --> 00:50:21,394 So, hopefully one day, 1890 00:50:18,433 --> 00:50:21,394 I'll be able to direct 1891 00:50:18,433 --> 00:50:21,394 and produce films 1892 00:50:21,436 --> 00:50:23,980 and find another 1893 00:50:21,436 --> 00:50:23,980 big dick kid like me 1894 00:50:21,436 --> 00:50:23,980 and change his life, man. 1895 00:50:24,021 --> 00:50:26,190 That's all I want to do. 1896 00:50:27,316 --> 00:50:30,695 [electronic music playing] 1897 00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:51,674 [Brittany Andrews] 1898 00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:51,674 What's the difference between 1899 00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:51,674 a boy toy, a slave, 1900 00:50:51,716 --> 00:50:54,427 and a fuck buddy 1901 00:50:51,716 --> 00:50:54,427 and a boyfriend? 1902 00:50:54,469 --> 00:50:57,430 I've actually had 1903 00:50:54,469 --> 00:50:57,430 to try to explain this 1904 00:50:54,469 --> 00:50:57,430 to my shrinks before. 1905 00:50:57,472 --> 00:50:59,140 [laughs] 1906 00:50:59,181 --> 00:51:02,393 Slave boys, they enjoy 1907 00:50:59,181 --> 00:51:02,393 the fetter side of things. 1908 00:51:02,435 --> 00:51:07,189 Fuck buddies are people that 1909 00:51:02,435 --> 00:51:07,189 would be boyfriends 1910 00:51:07,231 --> 00:51:08,858 if they were better. 1911 00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:10,318 [laughs] 1912 00:51:10,359 --> 00:51:12,695 And then boyfriends are people 1913 00:51:10,359 --> 00:51:12,695 that you have, 1914 00:51:12,737 --> 00:51:17,867 you know, spiritual, sexual, 1915 00:51:12,737 --> 00:51:17,867 emotional relationships with, 1916 00:51:17,909 --> 00:51:20,202 and, you know, you're 1917 00:51:17,909 --> 00:51:20,202 intimate and vulnerable, 1918 00:51:20,244 --> 00:51:21,913 and all of that 1919 00:51:20,244 --> 00:51:21,913 kind of fun stuff. 1920 00:51:21,955 --> 00:51:23,957 And the boy toys are just 1921 00:51:21,955 --> 00:51:23,957 supposed to shut the fuck up, 1922 00:51:23,999 --> 00:51:26,626 be cute and pretty and do 1923 00:51:23,999 --> 00:51:26,626 as mistress mommy tells them to. 1924 00:51:33,424 --> 00:51:40,056 I always wanted a smooth-running 1925 00:51:33,424 --> 00:51:40,056 machine of a business, 1926 00:51:40,097 --> 00:51:41,599 like that was 1927 00:51:40,097 --> 00:51:41,599 always my goal. 1928 00:51:41,641 --> 00:51:43,434 I remember, like, 1929 00:51:41,641 --> 00:51:43,434 asking people, like, 1930 00:51:43,476 --> 00:51:45,436 "How do you get into porn? 1931 00:51:43,476 --> 00:51:45,436 How do you get into porn?" 1932 00:51:45,478 --> 00:51:48,773 And then I ended up 1933 00:51:45,478 --> 00:51:48,773 doing a photo shoot 1934 00:51:48,815 --> 00:51:51,818 with High Society 1935 00:51:48,815 --> 00:51:51,818 and Cherry Magazine in Jamaica. 1936 00:51:51,860 --> 00:51:54,988 And who was my roommate? 1937 00:51:51,860 --> 00:51:54,988 Jenna Jameson was. 1938 00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:58,074 So, she's like, 1939 00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:58,074 "You need to move to LA 1940 00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:58,074 and live with me, 1941 00:51:58,115 --> 00:51:59,659 and I'll hook you up." 1942 00:51:59,701 --> 00:52:02,161 And, you know, I was taking 1943 00:51:59,701 --> 00:52:02,161 care of my mother at that time. 1944 00:52:02,203 --> 00:52:04,205 And I told my mom 1945 00:52:02,203 --> 00:52:04,205 that we were 1946 00:52:04,246 --> 00:52:06,582 gonna be moving 1947 00:52:04,246 --> 00:52:06,582 to Hollywood, Florida. 1948 00:52:06,624 --> 00:52:10,294 So I'm in Jamaica 1949 00:52:06,624 --> 00:52:10,294 and I call my mom up, 1950 00:52:10,336 --> 00:52:12,588 and I'm like, "Mom, 1951 00:52:10,336 --> 00:52:12,588 we're moving to Hollywood!" 1952 00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:14,966 And she's like, "Yeah, I know." 1953 00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:14,966 I'm like, "Scratch." 1954 00:52:15,008 --> 00:52:17,426 [laughs] 1955 00:52:15,008 --> 00:52:17,426 "Hollywood, California." 1956 00:52:17,468 --> 00:52:18,678 She's like, "What?" 1957 00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:21,806 I was 23 and I decided 1958 00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:21,806 to open up, 1959 00:52:21,848 --> 00:52:24,517 you know, 1960 00:52:21,848 --> 00:52:24,517 a 5,000 square-foot studio, 1961 00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:26,185 make it a rental facility. 1962 00:52:26,227 --> 00:52:28,270 And I started 1963 00:52:26,227 --> 00:52:28,270 right after that 1964 00:52:28,312 --> 00:52:30,606 my first Web site 1965 00:52:28,312 --> 00:52:30,606 and then, you know, 1966 00:52:30,648 --> 00:52:32,483 decided to do a whole 1967 00:52:30,648 --> 00:52:32,483 network of them 1968 00:52:32,525 --> 00:52:34,443 and all different 1969 00:52:32,525 --> 00:52:34,443 kinds of fetishes. 1970 00:52:34,485 --> 00:52:36,112 It was called 1971 00:52:34,485 --> 00:52:36,112 "The Niche Bitch." 1972 00:52:36,153 --> 00:52:37,864 I had the Niche Bitch network. 1973 00:52:37,906 --> 00:52:39,323 And it went from there. 1974 00:52:39,365 --> 00:52:41,576 Then the whole gonzo thing 1975 00:52:39,365 --> 00:52:41,576 kind of started 1976 00:52:41,617 --> 00:52:44,037 when you started having, like, 1977 00:52:41,617 --> 00:52:44,037 digital cameras. 1978 00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:46,915 And everybody else 1979 00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:46,915 used to call it, 1980 00:52:46,956 --> 00:52:51,544 um, the actual civilian 1981 00:52:46,956 --> 00:52:51,544 term for it... [laughs]-- 1982 00:52:51,586 --> 00:52:53,588 "civilian" meaning you people-- 1983 00:52:53,629 --> 00:52:56,674 ...um, non porn stars, 1984 00:52:56,716 --> 00:52:58,342 uh, it was called Pro-Am. 1985 00:52:58,384 --> 00:53:01,470 Which really all it meant was 1986 00:52:58,384 --> 00:53:01,470 there was a bunch of idiots 1987 00:53:01,512 --> 00:53:02,972 that used to be porn stars 1988 00:53:03,014 --> 00:53:05,558 that had picked up a camera, 1989 00:53:03,014 --> 00:53:05,558 myself included... 1990 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,309 [laughs] 1991 00:53:07,351 --> 00:53:09,104 ...but mostly it was all guys. 1992 00:53:09,145 --> 00:53:12,398 Because, once again, it was 1993 00:53:09,145 --> 00:53:12,398 a very, very 1994 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,443 boys' school business 1995 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,443 back then. 1996 00:53:15,484 --> 00:53:19,196 I mean, it was all Italian mafia 1997 00:53:15,484 --> 00:53:19,196 that did distribution, 1998 00:53:19,238 --> 00:53:21,950 and it was all Jewish mafia 1999 00:53:19,238 --> 00:53:21,950 that did production, 2000 00:53:21,991 --> 00:53:25,870 and women were not allowed 2001 00:53:21,991 --> 00:53:25,870 to kind of get in there, 2002 00:53:25,912 --> 00:53:27,747 especially distribution, 2003 00:53:25,912 --> 00:53:27,747 you know. 2004 00:53:27,789 --> 00:53:31,793 So, but anyways, 2005 00:53:27,789 --> 00:53:31,793 there was a film, 2006 00:53:31,834 --> 00:53:34,087 I think it was called "Erocity," 2007 00:53:34,129 --> 00:53:39,550 where I was raping 2008 00:53:34,129 --> 00:53:39,550 the fuck out of this 2009 00:53:34,129 --> 00:53:39,550 guy's ass in my dungeon, 2010 00:53:39,592 --> 00:53:42,637 and it was really hilarious 2011 00:53:42,678 --> 00:53:44,680 because I broke 2012 00:53:42,678 --> 00:53:44,680 my discipline horse. 2013 00:53:44,722 --> 00:53:48,726 And I just kept pounding that 2014 00:53:44,722 --> 00:53:48,726 motherfucker into the ground. 2015 00:53:48,768 --> 00:53:51,771 And it was so funny 2016 00:53:48,768 --> 00:53:51,771 'cause the director 2017 00:53:48,768 --> 00:53:51,771 afterwards was like, 2018 00:53:51,813 --> 00:53:54,649 "You didn't miss a beat." 2019 00:53:51,813 --> 00:53:54,649 [laughs] 2020 00:53:54,690 --> 00:53:58,694 And I'd always have, you know, 2021 00:53:54,690 --> 00:53:58,694 these soirée affairs, 2022 00:53:58,736 --> 00:54:02,239 and I'd have a curator with 2023 00:53:58,736 --> 00:54:02,239 all these fetish kind of art, 2024 00:54:02,281 --> 00:54:04,325 and I'd have these 2025 00:54:02,281 --> 00:54:04,325 custom-made outfits, 2026 00:54:04,366 --> 00:54:05,743 and I'd have an open bar. 2027 00:54:05,785 --> 00:54:08,496 And then, you know, I'd be 2028 00:54:05,785 --> 00:54:08,496 double-fisting somebody 2029 00:54:08,537 --> 00:54:11,207 in the dungeon downstairs. 2030 00:54:11,248 --> 00:54:13,417 And, you know, my mom 2031 00:54:11,248 --> 00:54:13,417 would be upstairs, 2032 00:54:13,459 --> 00:54:15,670 and she's like, 2033 00:54:13,459 --> 00:54:15,670 "I'm so proud of my daughter." 2034 00:54:15,711 --> 00:54:18,214 And they're like, "Do you know 2035 00:54:15,711 --> 00:54:18,214 what she's doing downstairs?" 2036 00:54:18,255 --> 00:54:20,008 "I don't care. I'm just 2037 00:54:18,255 --> 00:54:20,008 very proud of her." 2038 00:54:20,049 --> 00:54:23,719 [laughs] 2039 00:54:20,049 --> 00:54:23,719 I know I'm hypocritical 2040 00:54:23,761 --> 00:54:27,056 'cause I'm a dominatrix 2041 00:54:23,761 --> 00:54:27,056 and I beat the shit 2042 00:54:23,761 --> 00:54:27,056 out of men, 2043 00:54:27,098 --> 00:54:30,226 but I just feel like it's 2044 00:54:27,098 --> 00:54:30,226 appropriate doing it to a man 2045 00:54:27,098 --> 00:54:30,226 but not a woman. 2046 00:54:30,267 --> 00:54:32,269 Call me cray-cray, 2047 00:54:30,267 --> 00:54:32,269 it's the feminist in me. 2048 00:54:36,565 --> 00:54:38,776 -Sam? 2049 00:54:36,565 --> 00:54:38,776 -Yeah? 2050 00:54:38,818 --> 00:54:41,988 How about you come over here 2051 00:54:38,818 --> 00:54:41,988 and sit besides me on this couch 2052 00:54:42,030 --> 00:54:47,368 and show me some of that 2053 00:54:42,030 --> 00:54:47,368 Sam Slate private dick? 2054 00:54:47,409 --> 00:54:48,744 Thought you'd never ask me. 2055 00:54:50,329 --> 00:54:52,748 [both moaning] 2056 00:54:54,876 --> 00:54:57,003 I feel like now 2057 00:54:54,876 --> 00:54:57,003 when I watch porn, 2058 00:54:57,045 --> 00:54:58,713 it's like, you know, 2059 00:54:57,045 --> 00:54:58,713 fucking her in the ass, 2060 00:54:58,754 --> 00:55:00,256 and choking her 2061 00:54:58,754 --> 00:55:00,256 and, you know, 2062 00:55:00,297 --> 00:55:03,259 having as many cocks 2063 00:55:00,297 --> 00:55:03,259 as you possibly can, 2064 00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:06,095 and it's all this spit 2065 00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:06,095 and put her head in the toilet. 2066 00:55:06,137 --> 00:55:09,224 And I am not down 2067 00:55:06,137 --> 00:55:09,224 with that program. 2068 00:55:09,265 --> 00:55:11,893 So when I had 2069 00:55:09,265 --> 00:55:11,893 originally retired, 2070 00:55:11,934 --> 00:55:15,104 because all porn stars, we come 2071 00:55:11,934 --> 00:55:15,104 back and we... [laughs] 2072 00:55:15,146 --> 00:55:16,814 That's what we do, 2073 00:55:15,146 --> 00:55:16,814 we leave and we come back. 2074 00:55:16,856 --> 00:55:18,941 But when I originally retired, 2075 00:55:18,983 --> 00:55:24,113 I had no problem doing it 2076 00:55:18,983 --> 00:55:24,113 because the business that I knew 2077 00:55:24,155 --> 00:55:28,659 where you actually had sex, 2078 00:55:24,155 --> 00:55:28,659 like, on beds and desks, 2079 00:55:28,701 --> 00:55:31,204 and, you know, and it was like, 2080 00:55:28,701 --> 00:55:31,204 you were having sex. 2081 00:55:31,246 --> 00:55:33,581 It was, like, good. 2082 00:55:31,246 --> 00:55:33,581 [laughs] 2083 00:55:33,622 --> 00:55:37,710 Now, oh my God, I need to do 2084 00:55:33,622 --> 00:55:37,710 a sitz bath afterwards. 2085 00:55:37,752 --> 00:55:39,795 I mean, they freaking kill you. 2086 00:55:39,837 --> 00:55:42,965 It's like, it's all about 2087 00:55:39,837 --> 00:55:42,965 pounding you into the next room, 2088 00:55:43,007 --> 00:55:44,425 and choking you. 2089 00:55:44,466 --> 00:55:46,010 They don't do 2090 00:55:44,466 --> 00:55:46,010 that shit to me. 2091 00:55:46,052 --> 00:55:48,345 Because I will turn around 2092 00:55:46,052 --> 00:55:48,345 and clock the motherfucker. 2093 00:55:48,387 --> 00:55:50,639 'Cause I am a dominant woman 2094 00:55:48,387 --> 00:55:50,639 and I'm older. 2095 00:55:50,681 --> 00:55:52,850 Respect your elders, beyotch. 2096 00:55:52,892 --> 00:55:54,602 [laughs] 2097 00:55:56,312 --> 00:55:58,773 I had been retired 2098 00:55:56,312 --> 00:55:58,773 for quite a few years 2099 00:55:58,814 --> 00:56:00,858 and a director 2100 00:55:58,814 --> 00:56:00,858 contacted me, 2101 00:56:00,900 --> 00:56:03,945 not knowing that I had 2102 00:56:00,900 --> 00:56:03,945 been retired. 2103 00:56:03,986 --> 00:56:06,447 And he's like, "Oh, you know, 2104 00:56:03,986 --> 00:56:06,447 I was wondering, you know, 2105 00:56:06,488 --> 00:56:08,407 "I had a scene that I 2106 00:56:06,488 --> 00:56:08,407 wanted you to be in." 2107 00:56:08,449 --> 00:56:09,992 [chuckles] 2108 00:56:10,034 --> 00:56:12,328 And I was like, "Okay, well, 2109 00:56:10,034 --> 00:56:12,328 what's the name of the film?" 2110 00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:13,537 And he's like, "Golden Girls." 2111 00:56:13,579 --> 00:56:15,248 I'm like, 2112 00:56:13,579 --> 00:56:15,248 "You're a fucking jerkoff!" 2113 00:56:21,129 --> 00:56:24,340 Dude calls me back, like, 2114 00:56:21,129 --> 00:56:24,340 a year later and he goes, 2115 00:56:24,381 --> 00:56:26,383 "I got your comeback film." 2116 00:56:26,425 --> 00:56:29,386 I'm like, "Get the fuck 2117 00:56:26,425 --> 00:56:29,386 outta here. [laughs] 2118 00:56:29,428 --> 00:56:32,307 Didn't think I'd be hearing 2119 00:56:29,428 --> 00:56:32,307 from you again," and... 2120 00:56:35,310 --> 00:56:37,853 Do you want a piece 2121 00:56:35,310 --> 00:56:37,853 of me, you little bitch? 2122 00:56:38,896 --> 00:56:40,189 What? 2123 00:56:40,231 --> 00:56:42,275 "Sex and the City," 2124 00:56:40,231 --> 00:56:42,275 I want you to play Samantha. 2125 00:56:42,317 --> 00:56:44,902 I'm like, 2126 00:56:42,317 --> 00:56:44,902 "Dude, I like you, man." 2127 00:56:44,944 --> 00:56:48,864 So, I got to do 2128 00:56:44,944 --> 00:56:48,864 that particular movie, 2129 00:56:48,906 --> 00:56:51,284 and I had realized 2130 00:56:48,906 --> 00:56:51,284 it had been a while 2131 00:56:51,326 --> 00:56:53,328 since I'd been on camera. 2132 00:56:53,369 --> 00:56:56,789 I had maybe done, like, two 2133 00:56:53,369 --> 00:56:56,789 anal scenes in my entire life. 2134 00:56:56,831 --> 00:56:58,249 So I said I would 2135 00:56:56,831 --> 00:56:58,249 do an anal scene. 2136 00:56:58,291 --> 00:57:00,001 But I'm not a pro at this. 2137 00:57:00,042 --> 00:57:03,629 God bless all of the men 2138 00:57:00,042 --> 00:57:03,629 out there that think that, 2139 00:57:03,671 --> 00:57:06,174 you know, there's not a lot 2140 00:57:03,671 --> 00:57:06,174 of preparation that 2141 00:57:03,671 --> 00:57:06,174 goes into this. 2142 00:57:06,215 --> 00:57:09,510 Let me tell you something, 2143 00:57:06,215 --> 00:57:09,510 there... there needs to be. 2144 00:57:09,551 --> 00:57:11,887 Oh, you dirty, naughty boy. 2145 00:57:11,929 --> 00:57:14,765 -You wanna fuck my ass? 2146 00:57:11,929 --> 00:57:14,765 -Yeah, I wanna fuck that ass. 2147 00:57:14,807 --> 00:57:16,225 Oh, yeah. 2148 00:57:16,267 --> 00:57:18,644 Shove that big cock in my ass. 2149 00:57:18,686 --> 00:57:20,604 It's like, 10:00 a.m. 2150 00:57:18,686 --> 00:57:20,604 and you're having, like, 2151 00:57:20,646 --> 00:57:23,191 a 20-inch cock shoved 2152 00:57:20,646 --> 00:57:23,191 into your ass, right? 2153 00:57:23,232 --> 00:57:26,235 And, you know, I haven't had 2154 00:57:23,232 --> 00:57:26,235 anything in my own booty 2155 00:57:26,277 --> 00:57:28,279 for, like, a long time. 2156 00:57:28,321 --> 00:57:30,614 I'm in the bathroom 2157 00:57:28,321 --> 00:57:30,614 talking to a girlfriend of mine. 2158 00:57:30,656 --> 00:57:32,908 "Allison, something 2159 00:57:30,656 --> 00:57:32,908 happened to my ass." 2160 00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:34,369 She's like, "What are 2161 00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:34,369 you talking about?" 2162 00:57:34,410 --> 00:57:36,037 I'm like, "There's something 2163 00:57:34,410 --> 00:57:36,037 wrong with my ass." 2164 00:57:36,078 --> 00:57:37,454 She's like, "What are 2165 00:57:36,078 --> 00:57:37,454 you talking about?" 2166 00:57:37,496 --> 00:57:39,165 I'm like, "No, there's 2167 00:57:37,496 --> 00:57:39,165 really something, like, 2168 00:57:39,207 --> 00:57:42,710 "like, I think my ass 2169 00:57:39,207 --> 00:57:42,710 flipped inside out or-- Yeah." 2170 00:57:42,751 --> 00:57:44,879 And she's like, 2171 00:57:42,751 --> 00:57:44,879 "What are you talking--" 2172 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,090 I'm like... 2173 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,090 (whining) "Something's 2174 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,090 wrong with my ass." 2175 00:57:48,132 --> 00:57:49,884 And so, sure enough, 2176 00:57:49,925 --> 00:57:51,593 I go back on set, you know, 2177 00:57:51,635 --> 00:57:54,096 and I'm like, got my legs 2178 00:57:51,635 --> 00:57:54,096 together and I'm scooting in, 2179 00:57:54,138 --> 00:57:56,849 and they're like, 2180 00:57:54,138 --> 00:57:56,849 "Uh, are you okay?" 2181 00:57:56,891 --> 00:57:58,642 And I'm like, "Um... 2182 00:58:00,269 --> 00:58:01,854 Something happened to my ass." 2183 00:58:01,896 --> 00:58:04,565 And they're like, 2184 00:58:01,896 --> 00:58:04,565 "Oh, not a big deal. 2185 00:58:04,606 --> 00:58:06,108 You're just rosebudding it." 2186 00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:08,819 I'm like, 2187 00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:08,819 "What is rosebudding it?" 2188 00:58:08,861 --> 00:58:12,114 And they're like, "Well, 2189 00:58:08,861 --> 00:58:12,114 it's when you have a prolapse, 2190 00:58:12,156 --> 00:58:13,949 "you know, like, 2191 00:58:12,156 --> 00:58:13,949 your ass, like, prolapsed. 2192 00:58:13,991 --> 00:58:16,827 "It flips inside out." Right? 2193 00:58:16,869 --> 00:58:19,580 And I'm like, 2194 00:58:16,869 --> 00:58:19,580 "Oh, no, this is not good." 2195 00:58:19,621 --> 00:58:21,165 They're like, 2196 00:58:19,621 --> 00:58:21,165 "Oh, don't worry about it. 2197 00:58:21,207 --> 00:58:23,751 "There's like a ton of girls 2198 00:58:21,207 --> 00:58:23,751 in the industry 2199 00:58:23,792 --> 00:58:26,087 "that have permanent rosebud. 2200 00:58:26,128 --> 00:58:30,674 "There's like a whole prolapse 2201 00:58:26,128 --> 00:58:30,674 fetish genre of film." 2202 00:58:30,716 --> 00:58:35,430 And I'm like, "No..." 2203 00:58:35,471 --> 00:58:39,141 The next time 2204 00:58:35,471 --> 00:58:39,141 I did an anal scene, 2205 00:58:35,471 --> 00:58:39,141 I prepared for a month. 2206 00:58:39,183 --> 00:58:40,768 [laughs] 2207 00:58:40,809 --> 00:58:42,603 [Man] 2208 00:58:40,809 --> 00:58:42,603 Have you put any restrictions 2209 00:58:42,644 --> 00:58:44,521 on what you're willing 2210 00:58:42,644 --> 00:58:44,521 to do on video? 2211 00:58:44,563 --> 00:58:46,690 Um, at this point 2212 00:58:44,563 --> 00:58:46,690 in time I have. 2213 00:58:46,732 --> 00:58:52,113 I won't do any anals 2214 00:58:46,732 --> 00:58:52,113 or gangbangs, 2215 00:58:52,154 --> 00:58:53,530 and that's pretty much it. 2216 00:58:53,572 --> 00:58:55,532 And the only reason is, is... 2217 00:58:55,574 --> 00:58:57,034 [clears throat] 2218 00:58:57,076 --> 00:59:00,955 ...it's more, like, a business 2219 00:58:57,076 --> 00:59:00,955 thing than anything else. 2220 00:59:00,996 --> 00:59:04,083 I figure I have to have 2221 00:59:00,996 --> 00:59:04,083 something left 2222 00:59:04,125 --> 00:59:06,627 when... to market 2223 00:59:04,125 --> 00:59:06,627 a little bit later on. 2224 00:59:06,668 --> 00:59:11,299 So, you'll probably see me 2225 00:59:06,668 --> 00:59:11,299 doing it a little bit later, 2226 00:59:06,668 --> 00:59:11,299 but not quite yet. 2227 00:59:11,340 --> 00:59:12,967 Gonna make you wait for it. 2228 00:59:13,008 --> 00:59:14,385 [Man] 2229 00:59:13,008 --> 00:59:14,385 Do you do it off camera? 2230 00:59:14,427 --> 00:59:16,929 Oh, definitely. Uh-huh, uh-huh. 2231 00:59:14,427 --> 00:59:16,929 Mm-hmm. Definitely. 2232 00:59:16,971 --> 00:59:18,473 Well, I don't know 2233 00:59:16,971 --> 00:59:18,473 about gangbangs. 2234 00:59:18,514 --> 00:59:21,016 I don't really usually get into 2235 00:59:18,514 --> 00:59:21,016 a gangbang situation 2236 00:59:21,058 --> 00:59:22,435 all that often. 2237 00:59:22,477 --> 00:59:24,520 Um, but anal sex, 2238 00:59:24,561 --> 00:59:28,023 I do try get it in 2239 00:59:24,561 --> 00:59:28,023 every once in a blue moon. 2240 00:59:28,065 --> 00:59:29,566 [laughs] 2241 00:59:29,608 --> 00:59:32,403 [Andrews] 2242 00:59:29,608 --> 00:59:32,403 I'd been producing 2243 00:59:29,608 --> 00:59:32,403 and directing for 15 years, 2244 00:59:32,445 --> 00:59:34,363 and I thought, 2245 00:59:32,445 --> 00:59:34,363 "Well, you know what? 2246 00:59:34,405 --> 00:59:36,532 "Why don't I understand 2247 00:59:34,405 --> 00:59:36,532 the theory 2248 00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:39,868 "of what I've actually been 2249 00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:39,868 doing for the last 15 years." 2250 00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:42,330 So I moved to New York 2251 00:59:42,371 --> 00:59:46,667 and I started going to 2252 00:59:42,371 --> 00:59:46,667 the New York Film Academy. 2253 00:59:46,708 --> 00:59:50,796 I did two years of producing, 2254 00:59:46,708 --> 00:59:50,796 one year of directing. 2255 00:59:50,838 --> 00:59:53,549 It was funny 'cause they would 2256 00:59:50,838 --> 00:59:53,549 go on my IMDB page 2257 00:59:53,590 --> 00:59:57,636 and, you know, there's these 2258 00:59:53,590 --> 00:59:57,636 19-year-old film school boys, 2259 00:59:57,678 --> 01:00:00,722 and they're like, "Oh my God! 2260 00:59:57,678 --> 01:00:00,722 You have 1,000 credits?" 2261 01:00:00,764 --> 01:00:02,016 [laughs] 2262 01:00:02,057 --> 01:00:05,561 "Your IMDB page is so big 2263 01:00:02,057 --> 01:00:05,561 and massive and huge. 2264 01:00:05,602 --> 01:00:07,563 "Wow!" You know. 2265 01:00:07,604 --> 01:00:10,525 So yeah, when I realized that 2266 01:00:07,604 --> 01:00:10,525 independent filmmaking was 2267 01:00:07,604 --> 01:00:10,525 not going to continue 2268 01:00:10,566 --> 01:00:14,278 making me the rich bitch 2269 01:00:10,566 --> 01:00:14,278 that I'm used to being... 2270 01:00:10,566 --> 01:00:14,278 [laughs] 2271 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,281 [electronic music playing] 2272 01:00:17,323 --> 01:00:19,033 Maybe I should DJ? 2273 01:00:19,074 --> 01:00:21,035 Workaholic slash 2274 01:00:19,074 --> 01:00:21,035 rave chick girl. 2275 01:00:21,076 --> 01:00:23,620 Work my ass off, work hard, 2276 01:00:21,076 --> 01:00:23,620 play hard kind of thing. 2277 01:00:26,707 --> 01:00:29,502 I was always billed out 2278 01:00:26,707 --> 01:00:29,502 as the porn star DJ. 2279 01:00:29,544 --> 01:00:31,170 But then I've also been 2280 01:00:29,544 --> 01:00:31,170 in "Playboy" magazine, 2281 01:00:31,212 --> 01:00:33,255 so also "Playboy" DJ. 2282 01:00:33,297 --> 01:00:39,512 And, you know, now I get 2283 01:00:33,297 --> 01:00:39,512 to just be a talented 2284 01:00:33,297 --> 01:00:39,512 scam artist DJ. 2285 01:00:39,554 --> 01:00:45,934 I've not had any issue 2286 01:00:39,554 --> 01:00:45,934 with my past being negative. 2287 01:00:45,976 --> 01:00:47,811 It's actually been 2288 01:00:45,976 --> 01:00:47,811 the exact opposite. 2289 01:00:47,853 --> 01:00:50,939 I've utilized all 2290 01:00:47,853 --> 01:00:50,939 the tools and connections 2291 01:00:50,981 --> 01:00:52,358 and things like that 2292 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,528 in whatever new businesses 2293 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,528 that I start now. 2294 01:00:55,570 --> 01:00:57,779 I am very happy that I was 2295 01:00:57,821 --> 01:01:00,575 a part of 2296 01:00:57,821 --> 01:01:00,575 the "golden age of porn." 2297 01:01:00,616 --> 01:01:03,202 Very happy. 2298 01:01:00,616 --> 01:01:03,202 'Cause, you know what? 2299 01:01:03,244 --> 01:01:05,079 I don't know if I 2300 01:01:03,244 --> 01:01:05,079 could do it nowadays. 2301 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,457 I really don't know 2302 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,457 if I could. 2303 01:01:12,878 --> 01:01:15,548 [soft, slow music playing] 2304 01:01:18,551 --> 01:01:22,846 [Man] 2305 01:01:18,551 --> 01:01:22,846 Most men involved 2306 01:01:18,551 --> 01:01:22,846 in the industry, 2307 01:01:22,888 --> 01:01:25,224 outside of most of the talent, 2308 01:01:25,266 --> 01:01:27,476 I don't think 2309 01:01:25,266 --> 01:01:27,476 they're pro-women. 2310 01:01:27,518 --> 01:01:28,894 I don't think they like women. 2311 01:01:28,936 --> 01:01:33,857 I think that they get off on 2312 01:01:28,936 --> 01:01:33,857 having power over women. 2313 01:01:33,899 --> 01:01:35,568 But it also creates money, 2314 01:01:35,610 --> 01:01:38,070 so, you know, 2315 01:01:35,610 --> 01:01:38,070 that's my opinion. 2316 01:01:38,112 --> 01:01:40,573 I don't think it's... 2317 01:01:40,615 --> 01:01:44,577 It's far from the most honorable 2318 01:01:40,615 --> 01:01:44,577 industry that ever existed. 2319 01:01:47,037 --> 01:01:49,248 [noisy chattering] 2320 01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:55,003 [Woman] 2321 01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:55,003 Long-term, I'm actually 2322 01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:55,003 doing my Web site now. 2323 01:01:55,045 --> 01:01:57,089 Eventually, I want 2324 01:01:55,045 --> 01:01:57,089 to keep doing it, 2325 01:01:57,131 --> 01:02:00,301 but, I mean, if something 2326 01:01:57,131 --> 01:02:00,301 else comes up, 2327 01:02:00,342 --> 01:02:01,927 that'd be cool too, but... 2328 01:02:01,969 --> 01:02:04,179 I want to eventually, like, 2329 01:02:01,969 --> 01:02:04,179 hire people to do it for me, 2330 01:02:04,221 --> 01:02:06,682 so, like, I don't have to do it 2331 01:02:04,221 --> 01:02:06,682 anymore, you know what I mean? 2332 01:02:06,723 --> 01:02:10,603 Like, have my own site 2333 01:02:06,723 --> 01:02:10,603 and pay girls to do stuff. 2334 01:02:10,645 --> 01:02:12,605 Or men. 2335 01:02:10,645 --> 01:02:12,605 So that I don't have to, like-- 2336 01:02:12,647 --> 01:02:14,315 I can be, like, 2337 01:02:12,647 --> 01:02:14,315 a director basically, you know? 2338 01:02:14,356 --> 01:02:15,441 That'd be cool. 2339 01:02:17,818 --> 01:02:19,069 [Man] 2340 01:02:17,818 --> 01:02:19,069 Back up this way now. 2341 01:02:19,111 --> 01:02:20,529 -Yeah, nice. 2342 01:02:19,111 --> 01:02:20,529 -[shutter clicking] 2343 01:02:20,571 --> 01:02:22,239 Can you bring 'em 2344 01:02:20,571 --> 01:02:22,239 underneath yourself? 2345 01:02:22,281 --> 01:02:23,824 Yeah? Let's pop those out. 2346 01:02:23,865 --> 01:02:25,951 Beautiful. 2347 01:02:23,865 --> 01:02:25,951 Okay, good. 2348 01:02:25,993 --> 01:02:27,578 That's it. 2349 01:02:25,993 --> 01:02:27,578 Drop that shoulder. 2350 01:02:27,620 --> 01:02:29,037 Yeah, nice. 2351 01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:31,790 Bring your left shoulder 2352 01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:31,790 to me just a little bit. 2353 01:02:31,832 --> 01:02:33,875 Right there. 2354 01:02:31,832 --> 01:02:33,875 Yeah, very strong. 2355 01:02:33,917 --> 01:02:36,128 Beautiful. 2356 01:02:33,917 --> 01:02:36,128 Right there, good. 2357 01:02:36,170 --> 01:02:39,173 [shutter clicking] 2358 01:02:39,214 --> 01:02:40,924 [Man] 2359 01:02:39,214 --> 01:02:40,924 Do you like 2360 01:02:39,214 --> 01:02:40,924 this job so far? 2361 01:02:40,966 --> 01:02:43,760 I love this job so far. 2362 01:02:43,802 --> 01:02:45,471 [Man] 2363 01:02:43,802 --> 01:02:45,471 Are there certain aspects 2364 01:02:45,513 --> 01:02:48,098 of this kind of work 2365 01:02:45,513 --> 01:02:48,098 that you dislike? 2366 01:02:48,140 --> 01:02:50,934 Yeah, but the likes 2367 01:02:48,140 --> 01:02:50,934 outweigh the dislikes. 2368 01:02:58,442 --> 01:03:00,944 [Man] 2369 01:02:58,442 --> 01:03:00,944 What's going on in the life 2370 01:02:58,442 --> 01:03:00,944 of Chasey Lain? 2371 01:03:00,986 --> 01:03:03,489 [Lain] 2372 01:03:00,986 --> 01:03:03,489 Right now I'm out here working. 2373 01:03:03,531 --> 01:03:05,073 I do two weeks on, 2374 01:03:03,531 --> 01:03:05,073 two weeks off. 2375 01:03:05,115 --> 01:03:08,410 And I'm giving some love to 2376 01:03:05,115 --> 01:03:08,410 Dennis here at the BunnyRanch. 2377 01:03:08,452 --> 01:03:09,911 There it is. 2378 01:03:09,953 --> 01:03:11,706 And a lot of love 2379 01:03:09,953 --> 01:03:11,706 to a lot of fans out there? 2380 01:03:11,747 --> 01:03:16,168 Yeah. Anybody can come, 2381 01:03:11,747 --> 01:03:16,168 swing on by and we'll have 2382 01:03:11,747 --> 01:03:16,168 a good time. 2383 01:03:16,210 --> 01:03:17,753 There you go. 2384 01:03:16,210 --> 01:03:17,753 So, are you-- 2385 01:03:17,794 --> 01:03:20,005 Are you still doing movies 2386 01:03:17,794 --> 01:03:20,005 or are you done with that? 2387 01:03:20,047 --> 01:03:21,674 [Chasey] 2388 01:03:20,047 --> 01:03:21,674 Mmm, I don't know 2389 01:03:20,047 --> 01:03:21,674 if I'm done with it. 2390 01:03:21,716 --> 01:03:22,966 I'm not shooting right now. 2391 01:03:23,008 --> 01:03:24,009 [Man] 2392 01:03:23,008 --> 01:03:24,009 Okay. 2393 01:03:34,645 --> 01:03:39,400 [Lain] Off and on, 2394 01:03:34,645 --> 01:03:39,400 I went to the BunnyRanch 2395 01:03:34,645 --> 01:03:39,400 for a minute and worked. 2396 01:03:39,441 --> 01:03:41,860 I don't have 2397 01:03:39,441 --> 01:03:41,860 any problem with Dennis. 2398 01:03:41,902 --> 01:03:44,821 It's just that it's not for me, 2399 01:03:44,863 --> 01:03:47,199 'cause it's really 2400 01:03:44,863 --> 01:03:47,199 way far out of town, 2401 01:03:47,241 --> 01:03:50,661 and I don't like 2402 01:03:47,241 --> 01:03:50,661 the money split there. 2403 01:03:50,703 --> 01:03:52,538 They take half of everything 2404 01:03:52,580 --> 01:03:54,873 and then charge you 2405 01:03:52,580 --> 01:03:54,873 for room and board 2406 01:03:54,915 --> 01:03:57,418 and different stuff as well. 2407 01:03:58,711 --> 01:04:02,631 And it gets real slow 2408 01:03:58,711 --> 01:04:02,631 during Christmas 2409 01:04:02,673 --> 01:04:05,259 'cause it gets real cold there 2410 01:04:02,673 --> 01:04:05,259 and it snows and stuff. 2411 01:04:05,300 --> 01:04:09,513 So sometimes there would be 2412 01:04:05,300 --> 01:04:09,513 days, two, three, four days 2413 01:04:09,555 --> 01:04:12,015 and not one person 2414 01:04:09,555 --> 01:04:12,015 would walk in the door. 2415 01:04:12,057 --> 01:04:16,311 So you end up having 2416 01:04:12,057 --> 01:04:16,311 to stay a little bit longer 2417 01:04:12,057 --> 01:04:16,311 than you would have 2418 01:04:16,353 --> 01:04:18,564 'cause you're upside down 2419 01:04:16,353 --> 01:04:18,564 to the house. 2420 01:04:18,606 --> 01:04:21,942 'Cause every day 2421 01:04:18,606 --> 01:04:21,942 that you're there, 2422 01:04:18,606 --> 01:04:21,942 they charge you room and board 2423 01:04:21,983 --> 01:04:23,611 and this and that. 2424 01:04:23,652 --> 01:04:27,531 The adult business 2425 01:04:23,652 --> 01:04:27,531 and the escort business 2426 01:04:27,573 --> 01:04:28,949 are two separate businesses. 2427 01:04:28,990 --> 01:04:30,492 They want nothing 2428 01:04:28,990 --> 01:04:30,492 to do with each other. 2429 01:04:30,534 --> 01:04:33,203 In fact, years back, 2430 01:04:30,534 --> 01:04:33,203 if you were escorting, 2431 01:04:33,245 --> 01:04:35,956 you were blackballed 2432 01:04:33,245 --> 01:04:35,956 in the adult industry. 2433 01:04:35,997 --> 01:04:37,958 They would never 2434 01:04:35,997 --> 01:04:37,958 hire you again on set 2435 01:04:37,999 --> 01:04:39,627 if they found out 2436 01:04:37,999 --> 01:04:39,627 you were escorting. 2437 01:04:39,668 --> 01:04:42,546 You're supposed 2438 01:04:39,668 --> 01:04:42,546 to be untouchable 2439 01:04:39,668 --> 01:04:42,546 when you're doing film. 2440 01:04:42,588 --> 01:04:45,132 And so that means not 2441 01:04:42,588 --> 01:04:45,132 everybody can get to you 2442 01:04:45,173 --> 01:04:47,008 to shoot you or... 2443 01:04:47,050 --> 01:04:49,470 not everybody could get 2444 01:04:47,050 --> 01:04:49,470 to you to have sex with you. 2445 01:04:49,511 --> 01:04:52,931 Otherwise, why would you 2446 01:04:49,511 --> 01:04:52,931 buy the video? 2447 01:04:52,973 --> 01:04:55,058 The video has to be the only 2448 01:04:52,973 --> 01:04:55,058 place they can get it 2449 01:04:55,100 --> 01:04:56,310 or it won't sell. 2450 01:04:57,561 --> 01:05:00,815 My free time, 2451 01:04:57,561 --> 01:05:00,815 I like to spend shopping. 2452 01:05:00,856 --> 01:05:01,940 [giggles] 2453 01:05:01,982 --> 01:05:07,446 With my son. 2454 01:05:01,982 --> 01:05:07,446 Or, um... 2455 01:05:07,488 --> 01:05:09,824 Relaxing. I like my horses 2456 01:05:09,865 --> 01:05:11,325 and, you know. 2457 01:05:11,366 --> 01:05:13,910 [Man] 2458 01:05:11,366 --> 01:05:13,910 Are you a clothes girl? 2459 01:05:11,366 --> 01:05:13,910 Or are you a shoes girl? 2460 01:05:13,952 --> 01:05:15,788 I'm shoes. I'm shoes. 2461 01:05:15,830 --> 01:05:17,623 -You have a big collection? 2462 01:05:15,830 --> 01:05:17,623 -I'm a shoes girl. 2463 01:05:17,665 --> 01:05:18,874 I do. 2464 01:05:18,915 --> 01:05:22,503 Huge. 800 or so pair. 2465 01:05:22,544 --> 01:05:24,839 Any particular brand 2466 01:05:22,544 --> 01:05:24,839 in particular? 2467 01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:26,632 Not in particular. 2468 01:05:26,674 --> 01:05:29,635 It's every brand. Every pair. 2469 01:05:29,677 --> 01:05:34,264 My contracts 2470 01:05:29,677 --> 01:05:34,264 progressively got better 2471 01:05:29,677 --> 01:05:34,264 throughout the years. 2472 01:05:34,306 --> 01:05:37,100 Dancing progressively 2473 01:05:34,306 --> 01:05:37,100 got better too. 2474 01:05:37,142 --> 01:05:41,021 I got a base pay and then 2475 01:05:37,142 --> 01:05:41,021 I got two rooms and two tickets. 2476 01:05:41,062 --> 01:05:43,858 'Cause I didn't share a room 2477 01:05:41,062 --> 01:05:43,858 with my roadie. 2478 01:05:43,899 --> 01:05:47,235 And I don't take a split 2479 01:05:43,899 --> 01:05:47,235 on merchandise either. 2480 01:05:47,277 --> 01:05:49,864 Some of the clubs want to take, 2481 01:05:47,277 --> 01:05:49,864 like, half your money. 2482 01:05:51,281 --> 01:05:53,450 Yeah, I had my own toy line, 2483 01:05:53,492 --> 01:05:55,118 and I had my own line 2484 01:05:53,492 --> 01:05:55,118 of realistics, 2485 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,121 vibrators, and love gels, so. 2486 01:05:58,163 --> 01:06:01,458 They molded my hands, 2487 01:05:58,163 --> 01:06:01,458 my face, my crotch, 2488 01:06:01,500 --> 01:06:03,919 my feet... 2489 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:05,962 my whole body, 2490 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:05,962 I guess. 2491 01:06:07,130 --> 01:06:11,343 There were 25 products 2492 01:06:07,130 --> 01:06:11,343 out on the market. 2493 01:06:11,385 --> 01:06:15,222 I would get checks 2494 01:06:11,385 --> 01:06:15,222 every two, three months 2495 01:06:15,263 --> 01:06:18,016 for like, 60,000 2496 01:06:18,058 --> 01:06:20,185 and stuff like that. 2497 01:06:20,227 --> 01:06:24,439 I'm old school. 2498 01:06:20,227 --> 01:06:24,439 You absolutely know 2499 01:06:20,227 --> 01:06:24,439 that gonzo's not my favorite. 2500 01:06:24,481 --> 01:06:27,359 It's something 2501 01:06:24,481 --> 01:06:27,359 with a script 2502 01:06:24,481 --> 01:06:27,359 and a plot. 2503 01:06:27,401 --> 01:06:29,695 [Man] 2504 01:06:27,401 --> 01:06:29,695 But see, most people 2505 01:06:27,401 --> 01:06:29,695 would be surprised 2506 01:06:29,737 --> 01:06:31,739 that'd you want 2507 01:06:29,737 --> 01:06:31,739 to have a script and... 2508 01:06:33,198 --> 01:06:34,867 It's so much easier 2509 01:06:33,198 --> 01:06:34,867 to go by a script, 2510 01:06:34,909 --> 01:06:37,077 and you're going to work 2511 01:06:34,909 --> 01:06:37,077 to pretend to do something, 2512 01:06:37,118 --> 01:06:38,370 to be something, to do. 2513 01:06:38,412 --> 01:06:41,122 I mean, it's an entire act, 2514 01:06:38,412 --> 01:06:41,122 so why not? 2515 01:06:41,164 --> 01:06:43,208 I mean, yeah, of course 2516 01:06:41,164 --> 01:06:43,208 I'd like to have a script, 2517 01:06:43,250 --> 01:06:45,961 something to actually do, 2518 01:06:43,250 --> 01:06:45,961 work on. 2519 01:06:46,002 --> 01:06:49,506 Not just... plop up 2520 01:06:46,002 --> 01:06:49,506 camera there. 2521 01:06:49,548 --> 01:06:52,300 That takes all the mad 2522 01:06:49,548 --> 01:06:52,300 movie magic out of it. 2523 01:06:53,594 --> 01:06:55,387 Yeah, the Internet wasn't around 2524 01:06:55,429 --> 01:06:58,223 when I first got 2525 01:06:55,429 --> 01:06:58,223 into the business, 2526 01:06:58,265 --> 01:07:02,436 and then it destroyed 2527 01:06:58,265 --> 01:07:02,436 the business pretty much. 2528 01:07:02,477 --> 01:07:05,898 People can just 2529 01:07:02,477 --> 01:07:05,898 look at the Internet and get 2530 01:07:02,477 --> 01:07:05,898 whatever they want for free. 2531 01:07:05,940 --> 01:07:09,234 There's no need to put 2532 01:07:05,940 --> 01:07:09,234 any kind of production value 2533 01:07:05,940 --> 01:07:09,234 into anything. 2534 01:07:09,276 --> 01:07:11,737 There's no need to pay 2535 01:07:09,276 --> 01:07:11,737 an extra penny for anything 2536 01:07:11,779 --> 01:07:16,324 when it's being shoved 2537 01:07:11,779 --> 01:07:16,324 down your throat for free. 2538 01:07:16,366 --> 01:07:19,828 The same opportunities 2539 01:07:16,366 --> 01:07:19,828 are not available now 2540 01:07:19,870 --> 01:07:21,747 that were then. 2541 01:07:21,789 --> 01:07:23,624 I produced 2542 01:07:21,789 --> 01:07:23,624 an all-girls line 2543 01:07:23,665 --> 01:07:25,500 for Vivid 2544 01:07:23,665 --> 01:07:25,500 called "Chasin' Pink" 2545 01:07:25,542 --> 01:07:27,962 and my budgets were $30,000. 2546 01:07:28,003 --> 01:07:31,632 I mean, that was 2547 01:07:28,003 --> 01:07:31,632 considered gonzo. 2548 01:07:31,673 --> 01:07:34,885 My "gonzo," 2549 01:07:31,673 --> 01:07:34,885 my $30,000 "gonzo." 2550 01:07:34,927 --> 01:07:36,303 [laughs] 2551 01:07:36,344 --> 01:07:38,764 I mean, have you seen 2552 01:07:36,344 --> 01:07:38,764 the stuff that's up there? 2553 01:07:39,974 --> 01:07:41,809 I mean, I uh... 2554 01:07:39,974 --> 01:07:41,809 Last time I checked, 2555 01:07:41,850 --> 01:07:46,647 Bang Brothers didn't have 2556 01:07:41,850 --> 01:07:46,647 a whole elaborate setup. 2557 01:07:46,688 --> 01:07:48,816 It's different now. 2558 01:07:46,688 --> 01:07:48,816 I mean, they shoot something 2559 01:07:48,857 --> 01:07:50,901 in their living room 2560 01:07:48,857 --> 01:07:50,901 and throw it on the Internet 2561 01:07:50,943 --> 01:07:52,360 and then now 2562 01:07:50,943 --> 01:07:52,360 they're a porn star. 2563 01:07:52,402 --> 01:07:54,613 Well, it's not really 2564 01:07:52,402 --> 01:07:54,613 paying your dues. 2565 01:07:55,864 --> 01:07:57,157 But okay. 2566 01:07:58,492 --> 01:08:00,953 What would you like to do 2567 01:07:58,492 --> 01:08:00,953 after adult films? 2568 01:08:02,537 --> 01:08:04,832 Is there life 2569 01:08:02,537 --> 01:08:04,832 after adult films? 2570 01:08:04,873 --> 01:08:07,125 [laughs] 2571 01:08:04,873 --> 01:08:07,125 I don't know. 2572 01:08:07,167 --> 01:08:09,294 I don't think so, but... 2573 01:08:09,336 --> 01:08:13,089 Right. Um, next question. 2574 01:08:13,131 --> 01:08:16,092 How would you judge 2575 01:08:13,131 --> 01:08:16,092 the future of porn in general? 2576 01:08:17,845 --> 01:08:22,349 I think the future of porn... 2577 01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:28,271 Well, my Lord, it's the oldest 2578 01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:28,271 profession that there is, 2579 01:08:28,313 --> 01:08:31,066 so I pretty much think 2580 01:08:28,313 --> 01:08:31,066 it's just gonna get better. 2581 01:08:33,068 --> 01:08:35,737 Yeah, it would take money 2582 01:08:33,068 --> 01:08:35,737 to do another scene. 2583 01:08:35,779 --> 01:08:39,199 I mean, the companies now 2584 01:08:35,779 --> 01:08:39,199 just aren't really paying. 2585 01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:42,118 If I wanted to shoot 2586 01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:42,118 every day, I could. 2587 01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,830 I'm just not interested 2588 01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:44,830 in shooting every day 2589 01:08:44,872 --> 01:08:50,919 because I don't really like 2590 01:08:44,872 --> 01:08:50,919 to do interracial scenes 2591 01:08:44,872 --> 01:08:50,919 too much. 2592 01:08:50,961 --> 01:08:52,880 I don't want to shoot anal. 2593 01:08:52,921 --> 01:08:55,632 And so, that's mostly 2594 01:08:52,921 --> 01:08:55,632 what they're shooting 2595 01:08:55,674 --> 01:08:57,384 and I'm just not interested 2596 01:08:55,674 --> 01:08:57,384 in shooting that. 2597 01:08:57,425 --> 01:08:59,970 And so, I don't. 2598 01:09:00,012 --> 01:09:04,140 I mean, I've done adult 2599 01:09:00,012 --> 01:09:04,140 for a long, long time. 2600 01:09:04,182 --> 01:09:07,853 I mean, there's other things 2601 01:09:04,182 --> 01:09:07,853 that can be done 2602 01:09:07,895 --> 01:09:09,771 that I'm also interested in 2603 01:09:09,813 --> 01:09:12,273 that I would like to do 2604 01:09:12,315 --> 01:09:15,027 since the adult business 2605 01:09:12,315 --> 01:09:15,027 doesn't exist anymore. 2606 01:09:15,069 --> 01:09:17,278 Since... Let it go to bed. 2607 01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:18,697 -It's for you. 2608 01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:18,697 -Oh! 2609 01:09:20,490 --> 01:09:22,242 -Hello? 2610 01:09:20,490 --> 01:09:22,242 -Allison? 2611 01:09:22,283 --> 01:09:23,827 [Lain] 2612 01:09:22,283 --> 01:09:23,827 Fame is real. 2613 01:09:23,869 --> 01:09:26,997 Fame is fun. 2614 01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:33,128 I made it so I'd get recognized 2615 01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:33,128 when I go to the grocery store. 2616 01:09:35,714 --> 01:09:40,218 Everybody's your 2617 01:09:35,714 --> 01:09:40,218 best friend when... 2618 01:09:40,260 --> 01:09:41,636 [laughs] 2619 01:09:41,678 --> 01:09:43,013 ...when you're a star. 2620 01:09:47,350 --> 01:09:49,144 A person who is paid for sex 2621 01:09:49,185 --> 01:09:53,065 doesn't necessarily have 2622 01:09:49,185 --> 01:09:53,065 any negative repercussions 2623 01:09:49,185 --> 01:09:53,065 from that act. 2624 01:09:53,107 --> 01:09:55,901 And some of the things 2625 01:09:53,107 --> 01:09:55,901 people have investigated, 2626 01:09:55,943 --> 01:09:58,737 for example, are things like 2627 01:09:55,943 --> 01:09:58,737 post-traumatic stress disorder, 2628 01:09:58,779 --> 01:10:00,321 anxiety disorders. 2629 01:10:00,363 --> 01:10:03,075 And while they may occur more 2630 01:10:00,363 --> 01:10:03,075 frequently in that population, 2631 01:10:03,117 --> 01:10:05,744 there's no evidence that 2632 01:10:03,117 --> 01:10:05,744 their receiving sex for money 2633 01:10:05,786 --> 01:10:08,580 caused that problem for them. 2634 01:10:08,622 --> 01:10:12,333 Let's say I'm some 2635 01:10:08,622 --> 01:10:12,333 unemployed guy or something 2636 01:10:12,375 --> 01:10:15,629 in the middle of the country 2637 01:10:12,375 --> 01:10:15,629 living in a trailer park, 2638 01:10:15,670 --> 01:10:18,673 but I have 2639 01:10:15,670 --> 01:10:18,673 the ware-for-all to be able 2640 01:10:15,670 --> 01:10:18,673 to save $100 a week up 2641 01:10:18,715 --> 01:10:20,550 so that on 2642 01:10:18,715 --> 01:10:20,550 my birthday next year, 2643 01:10:20,592 --> 01:10:24,805 I can buy my favorite hooker 2644 01:10:20,592 --> 01:10:24,805 or porn star for an hour. 2645 01:10:24,846 --> 01:10:28,934 Okay, she just fell 2646 01:10:24,846 --> 01:10:28,934 off that pedestal, 2647 01:10:24,846 --> 01:10:28,934 in my opinion. 2648 01:10:28,976 --> 01:10:32,604 And she became less valuable 2649 01:10:28,976 --> 01:10:32,604 to the industry. 2650 01:10:33,855 --> 01:10:36,191 As soon as someone 2651 01:10:33,855 --> 01:10:36,191 can have you 2652 01:10:36,232 --> 01:10:39,235 for a price 2653 01:10:36,232 --> 01:10:39,235 outside the industry, 2654 01:10:39,277 --> 01:10:41,571 your value to the industry 2655 01:10:39,277 --> 01:10:41,571 goes down. 2656 01:10:41,613 --> 01:10:46,284 However, the models use 2657 01:10:41,613 --> 01:10:46,284 our industry and our sites 2658 01:10:46,326 --> 01:10:49,746 and the scenes 2659 01:10:46,326 --> 01:10:49,746 as advertising 2660 01:10:49,788 --> 01:10:54,042 that they're still 2661 01:10:49,788 --> 01:10:54,042 an active adult film star. 2662 01:10:54,084 --> 01:10:57,045 [Sins] 2663 01:10:54,084 --> 01:10:57,045 People think that once you do 2664 01:10:54,084 --> 01:10:57,045 a porn, it's like over with, 2665 01:10:57,087 --> 01:10:58,505 but it's really not. 2666 01:10:58,546 --> 01:11:01,133 Once you do porn, it actually 2667 01:10:58,546 --> 01:11:01,133 opens up a door to... 2668 01:11:01,175 --> 01:11:03,802 I walk around, 2669 01:11:01,175 --> 01:11:03,802 and I'm walking 2670 01:11:03,844 --> 01:11:05,095 in the like street 2671 01:11:03,844 --> 01:11:05,095 the other day, 2672 01:11:05,137 --> 01:11:07,848 and I was just crossing 2673 01:11:05,137 --> 01:11:07,848 the like, road. 2674 01:11:07,889 --> 01:11:10,017 I'm crossing the road 2675 01:11:07,889 --> 01:11:10,017 and a guy yells out 2676 01:11:10,058 --> 01:11:13,145 by car, "I fucking hate you, 2677 01:11:10,058 --> 01:11:13,145 Donny Sins. You son of a bitch." 2678 01:11:13,187 --> 01:11:14,521 I'm like, 2679 01:11:13,187 --> 01:11:14,521 "Who are you?" 2680 01:11:14,562 --> 01:11:16,690 He's like, "I watched you 2681 01:11:14,562 --> 01:11:16,690 on Dogfart the other day. 2682 01:11:16,731 --> 01:11:18,942 "You were fucking 2683 01:11:16,731 --> 01:11:18,942 this blonde chick that I love 2684 01:11:18,984 --> 01:11:20,861 and I never got 2685 01:11:18,984 --> 01:11:20,861 to fuck her before." 2686 01:11:20,902 --> 01:11:23,697 And you're like... 2687 01:11:20,902 --> 01:11:23,697 It opens up avenues for you, 2688 01:11:20,902 --> 01:11:23,697 you know what I mean? 2689 01:11:23,738 --> 01:11:25,949 And then it's funny enough 2690 01:11:23,738 --> 01:11:25,949 that he cursed me out 2691 01:11:25,991 --> 01:11:27,868 and then offered me 2692 01:11:25,991 --> 01:11:27,868 a fucking ride down the street. 2693 01:11:27,909 --> 01:11:29,161 And I'm like, 2694 01:11:27,909 --> 01:11:29,161 "No, I'm fine. 2695 01:11:29,203 --> 01:11:30,912 It's a nice day. 2696 01:11:29,203 --> 01:11:30,912 I would rather walk." 2697 01:11:31,955 --> 01:11:34,249 [beeping] 2698 01:11:45,426 --> 01:11:47,846 Okay, red light's on. 2699 01:11:45,426 --> 01:11:47,846 We're recording. 2700 01:11:51,141 --> 01:11:52,517 All right. 2701 01:11:52,559 --> 01:11:54,728 I have no idea 2702 01:11:52,559 --> 01:11:54,728 if this is even working. 2703 01:11:54,769 --> 01:11:56,938 I don't know 2704 01:11:54,769 --> 01:11:56,938 what the hell I'm doing. 2705 01:11:56,980 --> 01:11:59,149 I just want to make 2706 01:11:56,980 --> 01:11:59,149 a tape, okay? 2707 01:11:59,191 --> 01:12:02,318 So, here's me. 2708 01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,071 Hope you like it. 2709 01:12:04,112 --> 01:12:07,699 Sit back, relax, and enjoy 2710 01:12:04,112 --> 01:12:07,699 the feature presentation. 2711 01:12:07,741 --> 01:12:08,825 Shit. 2712 01:12:08,867 --> 01:12:10,202 This thing on? 2713 01:12:10,244 --> 01:12:11,912 How the hell 2714 01:12:10,244 --> 01:12:11,912 am I gonna shut it off? 2715 01:12:15,707 --> 01:12:18,210 [Howard Stern] 2716 01:12:15,707 --> 01:12:18,210 And Tabitha, what about you? 2717 01:12:15,707 --> 01:12:18,210 You're in porno. 2718 01:12:18,252 --> 01:12:19,878 What age did 2719 01:12:18,252 --> 01:12:19,878 you start doing porno? 2720 01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,214 [Tabitha] 2721 01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,214 I started at 25. 2722 01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,214 I'm 31. 2723 01:12:22,256 --> 01:12:24,299 -[Stern] You're 31 years old--- 2724 01:12:22,256 --> 01:12:24,299 -[Woman] 25 is a late start! 2725 01:12:24,340 --> 01:12:25,884 [Stern] 2726 01:12:24,340 --> 01:12:25,884 You're a late starter, yeah. 2727 01:12:25,926 --> 01:12:27,844 [Man] 2728 01:12:25,926 --> 01:12:27,844 The way she started, 2729 01:12:25,926 --> 01:12:27,844 I said, "How did you start?" 2730 01:12:27,886 --> 01:12:29,096 She said she was 2731 01:12:27,886 --> 01:12:29,096 a bored housewife. 2732 01:12:29,137 --> 01:12:30,222 -Yes. 2733 01:12:29,137 --> 01:12:30,222 -Really? 2734 01:12:30,264 --> 01:12:32,015 -You were a married woman. 2735 01:12:30,264 --> 01:12:32,015 -Yes, I was. 2736 01:12:32,057 --> 01:12:34,392 And you were sitting at home. 2737 01:12:32,057 --> 01:12:34,392 Did you watch a lot of porno 2738 01:12:32,057 --> 01:12:34,392 at home? 2739 01:12:34,434 --> 01:12:35,518 No, I've only seen-- 2740 01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,812 I only saw half a porno 2741 01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,812 my whole life. 2742 01:12:37,854 --> 01:12:39,273 [Tabitha] 2743 01:12:37,854 --> 01:12:39,273 I'd have to say 2744 01:12:37,854 --> 01:12:39,273 that Howard Stern 2745 01:12:39,314 --> 01:12:42,109 has been a very big part 2746 01:12:39,314 --> 01:12:42,109 of my career. 2747 01:12:42,150 --> 01:12:46,238 He helped me brand 2748 01:12:42,150 --> 01:12:46,238 Tabitha Stevens. 2749 01:12:47,405 --> 01:12:48,990 And it's a great opportunity. 2750 01:12:49,032 --> 01:12:52,702 And I have to laugh 2751 01:12:49,032 --> 01:12:52,702 because I always hear, 2752 01:12:52,744 --> 01:12:56,164 "Did you have to sleep 2753 01:12:52,744 --> 01:12:56,164 with Howard to be on 2754 01:12:52,744 --> 01:12:56,164 that many times on his show?" 2755 01:12:56,206 --> 01:12:58,292 And no, never. 2756 01:12:58,333 --> 01:13:01,169 I've never, ever 2757 01:12:58,333 --> 01:13:01,169 had sex with Howard Stern. 2758 01:13:01,211 --> 01:13:04,505 I've never, ever, ever had sex 2759 01:13:01,211 --> 01:13:04,505 with Howard Stern. 2760 01:13:04,547 --> 01:13:07,759 Or anyone from his show, 2761 01:13:07,801 --> 01:13:12,097 unless it was 2762 01:13:07,801 --> 01:13:12,097 a Wack Pack member, okay? 2763 01:13:12,139 --> 01:13:13,348 There you have it. 2764 01:13:13,389 --> 01:13:16,143 The truth coming 2765 01:13:13,389 --> 01:13:16,143 from my mouth to your ears. 2766 01:13:16,184 --> 01:13:17,477 [laughs] 2767 01:13:25,693 --> 01:13:27,028 I like, when 2768 01:13:25,693 --> 01:13:27,028 I'm going on a set, 2769 01:13:27,070 --> 01:13:28,488 I like to know 2770 01:13:27,070 --> 01:13:28,488 what I'm going to do. 2771 01:13:28,529 --> 01:13:30,740 I like to know 2772 01:13:28,529 --> 01:13:30,740 who I'm going to do. 2773 01:13:30,782 --> 01:13:32,951 I like to know this 2774 01:13:30,782 --> 01:13:32,951 on the porno set. 2775 01:13:32,993 --> 01:13:36,579 -Mm-hmm. 2776 01:13:32,993 --> 01:13:36,579 -I like to know what time 2777 01:13:32,993 --> 01:13:36,579 I'm going to be finished 2778 01:13:36,621 --> 01:13:38,206 and I like to be 2779 01:13:36,621 --> 01:13:38,206 treated with respect. 2780 01:13:38,248 --> 01:13:39,833 That's all there is. 2781 01:13:39,874 --> 01:13:42,294 I mean, that's the one thing. 2782 01:13:39,874 --> 01:13:42,294 If you treat me with respect, 2783 01:13:42,336 --> 01:13:45,339 I'll treat you 2784 01:13:42,336 --> 01:13:45,339 with 100 times more respect. 2785 01:13:45,380 --> 01:13:47,924 That's all it is. 2786 01:13:45,380 --> 01:13:47,924 It's just that. 2787 01:13:49,134 --> 01:13:51,636 In 1993, I got married. 2788 01:13:51,678 --> 01:13:55,223 And I married a guy 2789 01:13:51,678 --> 01:13:55,223 who was a super-cool guy. 2790 01:13:55,265 --> 01:13:57,017 Did very well for himself. 2791 01:13:57,058 --> 01:13:59,936 I was a stripper 2792 01:13:57,058 --> 01:13:59,936 when I first met him, 2793 01:13:59,978 --> 01:14:01,855 and then I quit obviously. 2794 01:14:01,896 --> 01:14:03,315 And I became a housewife. 2795 01:14:03,357 --> 01:14:05,359 And I was very bored. 2796 01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,695 The first video that I shot 2797 01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,695 was called "Rolling Thunder." 2798 01:14:08,736 --> 01:14:10,488 It was by Vivid Entertainment. 2799 01:14:10,530 --> 01:14:12,282 Racquel Darrian 2800 01:14:10,530 --> 01:14:12,282 was on the box cover 2801 01:14:12,324 --> 01:14:14,784 and my scene 2802 01:14:12,324 --> 01:14:14,784 was with Bobby Vitale. 2803 01:14:14,826 --> 01:14:17,745 And it was supposed to 2804 01:14:14,826 --> 01:14:17,745 be a girl, but it ended up 2805 01:14:14,826 --> 01:14:17,745 being a boy/girl. 2806 01:14:17,787 --> 01:14:19,497 They switched it 2807 01:14:17,787 --> 01:14:19,497 on my last minute. 2808 01:14:19,539 --> 01:14:22,334 So, of course I didn't tell 2809 01:14:19,539 --> 01:14:22,334 my husband at the time that. 2810 01:14:22,376 --> 01:14:25,461 But I remember-- 2811 01:14:22,376 --> 01:14:25,461 this is the funniest thing-- 2812 01:14:25,503 --> 01:14:28,089 being nervous 2813 01:14:25,503 --> 01:14:28,089 about my dialog. 2814 01:14:28,131 --> 01:14:29,966 The sex I knew I could do, 2815 01:14:30,008 --> 01:14:31,509 'cause I knew I had a... 2816 01:14:31,551 --> 01:14:32,844 You know, I was 2817 01:14:31,551 --> 01:14:32,844 real good at that. 2818 01:14:32,886 --> 01:14:34,012 I kinda still am. 2819 01:14:34,054 --> 01:14:36,014 But anyway. 2820 01:14:36,056 --> 01:14:39,893 But my thing was, 2821 01:14:36,056 --> 01:14:39,893 what if I don't get 2822 01:14:36,056 --> 01:14:39,893 my lines right? 2823 01:14:39,934 --> 01:14:41,144 And I told them that. 2824 01:14:41,186 --> 01:14:43,146 And they're like, 2825 01:14:41,186 --> 01:14:43,146 "You're gonna be fine." 2826 01:14:43,188 --> 01:14:45,065 After my scene was over, 2827 01:14:45,106 --> 01:14:47,608 well, I was on a desk. 2828 01:14:47,650 --> 01:14:49,569 I was supposed to be 2829 01:14:47,650 --> 01:14:49,569 playing a secretary. 2830 01:14:49,610 --> 01:14:51,112 -[Man] Imagine that. 2831 01:14:49,610 --> 01:14:51,112 -With Bobby Vitale. 2832 01:14:51,154 --> 01:14:52,322 And when I got up, 2833 01:14:52,364 --> 01:14:54,032 there were phone numbers 2834 01:14:52,364 --> 01:14:54,032 imprinted on my ass. 2835 01:14:54,074 --> 01:14:55,242 [laughs] 2836 01:14:55,283 --> 01:14:56,617 And I couldn't figure out 2837 01:14:55,283 --> 01:14:56,617 what it was. 2838 01:14:56,659 --> 01:14:57,911 Like, "Oh, my God, 2839 01:14:56,659 --> 01:14:57,911 who did this?" 2840 01:14:57,952 --> 01:14:59,537 But, yeah, so it was 2841 01:14:57,952 --> 01:14:59,537 kind of interesting. 2842 01:14:59,579 --> 01:15:01,248 But then I got divorced 2843 01:14:59,579 --> 01:15:01,248 right after that. 2844 01:15:01,289 --> 01:15:04,792 I had my mom get all 2845 01:15:01,289 --> 01:15:04,792 my stuff out of my house, 2846 01:15:04,834 --> 01:15:06,586 you know, got divorced, 2847 01:15:06,627 --> 01:15:08,838 and that was it. 2848 01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:10,798 Never looked back. 2849 01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:14,261 I just couldn't see 2850 01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:14,261 myself being an extension 2851 01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:14,261 of somebody else's life. 2852 01:15:14,302 --> 01:15:16,179 I mean, he was successful 2853 01:15:14,302 --> 01:15:16,179 in what he did 2854 01:15:16,221 --> 01:15:17,597 and he was a great provider, 2855 01:15:17,638 --> 01:15:20,434 and again, I have nothing 2856 01:15:17,638 --> 01:15:20,434 against the guy whatsoever. 2857 01:15:20,475 --> 01:15:22,602 But here's the thing. 2858 01:15:20,475 --> 01:15:22,602 It's like that was his thing. 2859 01:15:22,643 --> 01:15:24,562 I needed to find my thing 2860 01:15:24,604 --> 01:15:26,940 and it ended up 2861 01:15:24,604 --> 01:15:26,940 porn was my thing. 2862 01:15:26,981 --> 01:15:29,234 I just call it 2863 01:15:26,981 --> 01:15:29,234 ass-fucking, myself. 2864 01:15:29,276 --> 01:15:30,985 When I got into the business, 2865 01:15:31,027 --> 01:15:33,863 I was told 2866 01:15:31,027 --> 01:15:33,863 one really important thing. 2867 01:15:33,905 --> 01:15:36,366 Pace out your career. 2868 01:15:36,408 --> 01:15:39,535 If you want any kind 2869 01:15:36,408 --> 01:15:39,535 of longevity, 2870 01:15:39,577 --> 01:15:41,788 don't do anal scenes 2871 01:15:39,577 --> 01:15:41,788 right away. 2872 01:15:41,829 --> 01:15:43,415 Give it a couple of years. 2873 01:15:43,457 --> 01:15:45,792 Don't do 2874 01:15:43,457 --> 01:15:45,792 a double penetration 2875 01:15:43,457 --> 01:15:45,792 right away. 2876 01:15:45,833 --> 01:15:47,585 Wait for interracial. 2877 01:15:47,627 --> 01:15:48,836 That was a big thing. 2878 01:15:48,878 --> 01:15:50,380 Okay, well, 2879 01:15:48,878 --> 01:15:50,380 I didn't know. 2880 01:15:50,422 --> 01:15:51,672 Here I come 2881 01:15:50,422 --> 01:15:51,672 into a business. 2882 01:15:51,714 --> 01:15:53,425 I didn't know anybody 2883 01:15:51,714 --> 01:15:53,425 in the porn business. 2884 01:15:53,467 --> 01:15:55,135 So, I paced my career. 2885 01:15:55,176 --> 01:15:57,220 It took me what, 2886 01:15:55,176 --> 01:15:57,220 about a year and a half, 2887 01:15:57,262 --> 01:15:59,180 two years to do 2888 01:15:57,262 --> 01:15:59,180 my first anal scene? 2889 01:15:59,222 --> 01:16:01,516 Think I've done eight 2890 01:15:59,222 --> 01:16:01,516 anal scenes my entire career. 2891 01:16:01,557 --> 01:16:03,559 Maybe eight to ten? 2892 01:16:03,601 --> 01:16:05,228 Double penetration. 2893 01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:08,189 I did that... 2894 01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:08,189 three years later? 2895 01:16:08,231 --> 01:16:09,816 So, I took my time with it. 2896 01:16:09,857 --> 01:16:12,444 It took me 17 years 2897 01:16:09,857 --> 01:16:12,444 before I did my first 2898 01:16:09,857 --> 01:16:12,444 interracial scene. 2899 01:16:12,486 --> 01:16:14,654 So, I took my time 2900 01:16:14,695 --> 01:16:16,531 so that I wasn't burnt out 2901 01:16:16,572 --> 01:16:18,408 and people weren't burnt out. 2902 01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:21,536 Are you following me again? 2903 01:16:24,705 --> 01:16:27,000 Told you to stop following me. 2904 01:16:27,041 --> 01:16:28,293 [Man] 2905 01:16:27,041 --> 01:16:28,293 No, no, wait. 2906 01:16:29,503 --> 01:16:30,920 [Stevens] 2907 01:16:29,503 --> 01:16:30,920 I think nowadays 2908 01:16:30,962 --> 01:16:34,257 that the day 2909 01:16:30,962 --> 01:16:34,257 of the contract is over. 2910 01:16:34,299 --> 01:16:35,967 And that was 2911 01:16:34,299 --> 01:16:35,967 a big deal for us. 2912 01:16:36,009 --> 01:16:37,385 That was a totally big deal 2913 01:16:37,427 --> 01:16:40,596 because you use that contract 2914 01:16:37,427 --> 01:16:40,596 to get on box covers. 2915 01:16:40,638 --> 01:16:41,889 You needed those box covers 2916 01:16:41,931 --> 01:16:43,224 so you could go 2917 01:16:41,931 --> 01:16:43,224 on the road dancing. 2918 01:16:43,266 --> 01:16:45,435 You made a lot of money 2919 01:16:43,266 --> 01:16:45,435 feature dancing. 2920 01:16:45,477 --> 01:16:48,229 Now, I do know that nowadays 2921 01:16:45,477 --> 01:16:48,229 girls still go on the road. 2922 01:16:48,271 --> 01:16:51,107 What happened to being 2923 01:16:48,271 --> 01:16:51,107 in those bigger movies 2924 01:16:51,149 --> 01:16:53,151 where you could be 2925 01:16:51,149 --> 01:16:53,151 the only girl on the box cover? 2926 01:16:53,193 --> 01:16:56,571 Now everybody's on the box cover 2927 01:16:53,193 --> 01:16:56,571 with gaping assholes. 2928 01:16:56,612 --> 01:16:58,614 I don't think that's attractive. 2929 01:16:58,656 --> 01:17:02,160 Back then it was classier 2930 01:16:58,656 --> 01:17:02,160 than I think it is now. 2931 01:17:02,202 --> 01:17:06,164 And I think that girls 2932 01:17:02,202 --> 01:17:06,164 are doing things nowadays 2933 01:17:06,206 --> 01:17:07,999 that they probably 2934 01:17:06,206 --> 01:17:07,999 wouldn't really want to do, 2935 01:17:08,041 --> 01:17:11,169 like the double anals 2936 01:17:08,041 --> 01:17:11,169 or the double vag. 2937 01:17:11,211 --> 01:17:12,879 Because they want 2938 01:17:11,211 --> 01:17:12,879 to make the money 2939 01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:16,466 and because there's 2940 01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:16,466 so much competition. 2941 01:17:16,508 --> 01:17:18,385 But the art of it 2942 01:17:18,426 --> 01:17:20,512 is when you're suckin' it, 2943 01:17:18,426 --> 01:17:20,512 you gotta twist it. 2944 01:17:20,554 --> 01:17:22,055 You gotta twist it 2945 01:17:20,554 --> 01:17:22,055 at the top. 2946 01:17:22,096 --> 01:17:23,473 Remember that, 2947 01:17:22,096 --> 01:17:23,473 Dave, for later. 2948 01:17:23,515 --> 01:17:26,059 Twist, jerk it, 2949 01:17:23,515 --> 01:17:26,059 and twist it and lick it 2950 01:17:26,100 --> 01:17:27,268 and go down and up. 2951 01:17:27,310 --> 01:17:28,562 But don't do it in my teeth. 2952 01:17:28,603 --> 01:17:30,688 I mean, they hurt. 2953 01:17:28,603 --> 01:17:30,688 These are really good teeth. 2954 01:17:30,730 --> 01:17:31,814 See? They're really good. 2955 01:17:31,856 --> 01:17:33,733 We're all in the sex business. 2956 01:17:33,774 --> 01:17:35,360 And I've heard this said before. 2957 01:17:35,402 --> 01:17:36,736 We're all hoes on this bus 2958 01:17:36,777 --> 01:17:38,405 when it comes to work. 2959 01:17:38,446 --> 01:17:42,617 I've heard that now 2960 01:17:38,446 --> 01:17:42,617 girls are getting 2961 01:17:38,446 --> 01:17:42,617 into the porn business 2962 01:17:42,658 --> 01:17:44,785 so that they can 2963 01:17:42,658 --> 01:17:44,785 become escorts. 2964 01:17:44,827 --> 01:17:46,329 That's what's happening now. 2965 01:17:46,371 --> 01:17:49,332 I'm not against it. 2966 01:17:46,371 --> 01:17:49,332 Not one bit. 2967 01:17:49,374 --> 01:17:51,376 So, that's why 2968 01:17:49,374 --> 01:17:51,376 you really don't see 2969 01:17:51,418 --> 01:17:54,546 the age of 2970 01:17:51,418 --> 01:17:54,546 the porn star anymore. 2971 01:17:54,588 --> 01:17:57,382 I think that 2972 01:17:54,588 --> 01:17:57,382 there are a very few. 2973 01:17:57,424 --> 01:18:00,468 You still have 2974 01:17:57,424 --> 01:18:00,468 your Jessica Drakes 2975 01:17:57,424 --> 01:18:00,468 of the world. 2976 01:18:00,510 --> 01:18:03,179 But you look at Jessie today, 2977 01:18:00,510 --> 01:18:03,179 and I mean, who else 2978 01:18:00,510 --> 01:18:03,179 after Jessie? 2979 01:18:03,221 --> 01:18:04,889 I don't really know many girls 2980 01:18:04,931 --> 01:18:07,267 that are now the porn star. 2981 01:18:07,308 --> 01:18:10,811 And now I think 2982 01:18:07,308 --> 01:18:10,811 that's the way 2983 01:18:07,308 --> 01:18:10,811 they're doing it, is to... 2984 01:18:10,853 --> 01:18:12,564 And I'm not knocking the girls. 2985 01:18:12,606 --> 01:18:15,442 Hey, if that's how they want to 2986 01:18:12,606 --> 01:18:15,442 make their money, that's fine. 2987 01:18:15,483 --> 01:18:17,235 Again, be safe about it. 2988 01:18:17,277 --> 01:18:19,487 But I think they're 2989 01:18:17,277 --> 01:18:19,487 coming in the industry 2990 01:18:17,277 --> 01:18:19,487 to make a little name, 2991 01:18:19,529 --> 01:18:24,117 and then they go out there 2992 01:18:19,529 --> 01:18:24,117 and make probably even more 2993 01:18:19,529 --> 01:18:24,117 money being an escort. 2994 01:18:26,786 --> 01:18:30,665 So have you ever wondered 2995 01:18:26,786 --> 01:18:30,665 why I'm so at ease 2996 01:18:30,706 --> 01:18:32,959 with the adult business 2997 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,836 and when you were 2998 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,836 doing movies and whatnot? 2999 01:18:35,878 --> 01:18:38,506 I kind of have an idea, 3000 01:18:35,878 --> 01:18:38,506 but what is it? 3001 01:18:38,548 --> 01:18:41,134 Well, it's that... 3002 01:18:41,175 --> 01:18:44,178 I understand 3003 01:18:41,175 --> 01:18:44,178 the entertainment value. 3004 01:18:44,220 --> 01:18:47,557 I understand that there's rarely 3005 01:18:44,220 --> 01:18:47,557 true passion involved. 3006 01:18:47,599 --> 01:18:48,891 And that at the end of the day, 3007 01:18:48,933 --> 01:18:52,145 it's a job 3008 01:18:48,933 --> 01:18:52,145 as most jobs are. 3009 01:18:52,186 --> 01:18:53,854 [laughing] 3010 01:18:57,024 --> 01:18:58,025 [Man] 3011 01:18:57,024 --> 01:18:58,025 Rolling. 3012 01:18:59,068 --> 01:19:00,820 Cut. 3013 01:19:00,861 --> 01:19:03,072 All right. I'm gonna 3014 01:19:00,861 --> 01:19:03,072 get a wide shot 3015 01:19:00,861 --> 01:19:03,072 and I'll come back there. 3016 01:19:03,114 --> 01:19:04,532 And rolling. 3017 01:19:04,574 --> 01:19:06,576 [Orona] 3018 01:19:04,574 --> 01:19:06,576 And the reality of it is, 3019 01:19:04,574 --> 01:19:06,576 is it's hard work. 3020 01:19:06,618 --> 01:19:07,994 It's entertainment. 3021 01:19:08,035 --> 01:19:10,788 I knew that you, like anybody 3022 01:19:08,035 --> 01:19:10,788 in the adult business 3023 01:19:10,830 --> 01:19:14,334 has to produce work. 3024 01:19:14,375 --> 01:19:16,711 When I decided 3025 01:19:14,375 --> 01:19:16,711 to hang it up, 3026 01:19:16,752 --> 01:19:19,797 with my career, 3027 01:19:16,752 --> 01:19:19,797 I'd have to say 3028 01:19:19,839 --> 01:19:23,092 it was pretty much 3029 01:19:19,839 --> 01:19:23,092 a joint decision about that. 3030 01:19:23,134 --> 01:19:24,927 -Wouldn't we say? 3031 01:19:23,134 --> 01:19:24,927 -Absolutely. 3032 01:19:24,969 --> 01:19:26,137 Yeah, it was. 3033 01:19:26,179 --> 01:19:28,348 Again, I respect Gary so much. 3034 01:19:28,389 --> 01:19:30,766 And if Gary ever 3035 01:19:28,389 --> 01:19:30,766 had a hard time 3036 01:19:30,808 --> 01:19:33,311 and said, you know, 3037 01:19:30,808 --> 01:19:33,311 "I really don't want you 3038 01:19:30,808 --> 01:19:33,311 to do this anymore. 3039 01:19:33,353 --> 01:19:34,979 Could you please stop?" 3040 01:19:33,353 --> 01:19:34,979 I would. 3041 01:19:35,021 --> 01:19:37,732 I just love 3042 01:19:35,021 --> 01:19:37,732 and respect my husband. 3043 01:19:37,773 --> 01:19:39,108 And he's the same with me. 3044 01:19:39,150 --> 01:19:41,110 And I just figured, you know, 3045 01:19:39,150 --> 01:19:41,110 and it was time. 3046 01:19:41,152 --> 01:19:44,322 It was just time to move on 3047 01:19:41,152 --> 01:19:44,322 to bigger and better things. 3048 01:19:44,364 --> 01:19:46,240 [bird cawing] 3049 01:19:46,282 --> 01:19:47,408 [rattling] 3050 01:19:47,450 --> 01:19:50,828 [Western movie music plays] 3051 01:20:07,845 --> 01:20:12,099 [Orona] 3052 01:20:07,845 --> 01:20:12,099 Tabitha and I spend day 3053 01:20:07,845 --> 01:20:12,099 after day after day 3054 01:20:12,141 --> 01:20:14,561 backpacks on our backs, 3055 01:20:12,141 --> 01:20:14,561 trekking into the wilderness, 3056 01:20:14,602 --> 01:20:17,188 and we're shooting amazing, 3057 01:20:14,602 --> 01:20:17,188 stunning, beautiful 3058 01:20:17,230 --> 01:20:19,691 fine art photography landscapes. 3059 01:20:19,733 --> 01:20:23,110 And we're producing 3060 01:20:19,733 --> 01:20:23,110 and Tabitha's core, 3061 01:20:19,733 --> 01:20:23,110 absolutely pivotal. 3062 01:20:23,152 --> 01:20:24,571 A lot of the ideas are hers, 3063 01:20:24,612 --> 01:20:27,281 the concepts are hers, 3064 01:20:24,612 --> 01:20:27,281 the design. 3065 01:20:27,323 --> 01:20:29,534 And we're producing 3066 01:20:27,323 --> 01:20:29,534 and creating these works 3067 01:20:29,576 --> 01:20:32,620 for a fine art 3068 01:20:29,576 --> 01:20:32,620 photography gallery, 3069 01:20:32,662 --> 01:20:34,997 -which is named... 3070 01:20:32,662 --> 01:20:34,997 -Savage Territory, 3071 01:20:35,039 --> 01:20:36,541 a Gary Orona gallery. 3072 01:20:37,751 --> 01:20:39,085 How do I say it again? 3073 01:20:39,126 --> 01:20:41,546 -"This is where I am." 3074 01:20:39,126 --> 01:20:41,546 -"This is where I am." Okay. 3075 01:20:41,588 --> 01:20:42,963 This is where I am now. 3076 01:20:43,005 --> 01:20:45,633 My husband and I own 3077 01:20:43,005 --> 01:20:45,633 a fine art photography gallery 3078 01:20:45,675 --> 01:20:49,512 here, in Green River, Utah, 3079 01:20:45,675 --> 01:20:49,512 called Savage Territory. 3080 01:20:53,808 --> 01:20:56,018 -Yeah. 3081 01:20:53,808 --> 01:20:56,018 -Okay. But I'm just 3082 01:20:53,808 --> 01:20:56,018 letting you know I'm more fine. 3083 01:20:56,060 --> 01:20:57,478 I'm really fine. 3084 01:21:08,948 --> 01:21:11,659 I actually do think 3085 01:21:08,948 --> 01:21:11,659 about a life after porn. 3086 01:21:11,701 --> 01:21:13,661 I want to either... 3087 01:21:13,703 --> 01:21:14,995 I want to go 3088 01:21:13,703 --> 01:21:14,995 to college really. 3089 01:21:15,037 --> 01:21:16,623 I was raised Jehovah Witness, 3090 01:21:16,664 --> 01:21:19,208 so I was in 3091 01:21:16,664 --> 01:21:19,208 a really small school 3092 01:21:16,664 --> 01:21:19,208 that my family opened. 3093 01:21:19,250 --> 01:21:21,043 So, I've not really been 3094 01:21:19,250 --> 01:21:21,043 familiar with like, 3095 01:21:21,085 --> 01:21:22,796 public schools 3096 01:21:21,085 --> 01:21:22,796 or public schooling. 3097 01:21:22,837 --> 01:21:26,006 So, college to me 3098 01:21:22,837 --> 01:21:26,006 is gonna be a huge experience. 3099 01:21:26,048 --> 01:21:29,636 So, what I'd like to do is go 3100 01:21:26,048 --> 01:21:29,636 and kind of see the colleges 3101 01:21:29,677 --> 01:21:31,846 and see the different like paths 3102 01:21:29,677 --> 01:21:31,846 that I can take 3103 01:21:31,887 --> 01:21:33,931 'cause I don't even know 3104 01:21:31,887 --> 01:21:33,931 really what I want to do 3105 01:21:31,887 --> 01:21:33,931 after porn. 3106 01:21:33,973 --> 01:21:35,725 But I don't want to do porn 3107 01:21:33,973 --> 01:21:35,725 for the rest of my life. 3108 01:21:35,767 --> 01:21:38,185 I'll probably be in 3109 01:21:35,767 --> 01:21:38,185 maybe another year or two 3110 01:21:38,227 --> 01:21:40,438 is the longest 3111 01:21:38,227 --> 01:21:40,438 I would say, 3112 01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:44,317 and then go to a school 3113 01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:44,317 and figure out kind of 3114 01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:44,317 what I want to do. 3115 01:21:44,358 --> 01:21:46,110 And maybe I'll work 3116 01:21:44,358 --> 01:21:46,110 with children 3117 01:21:46,152 --> 01:21:47,903 or maybe something 3118 01:21:46,152 --> 01:21:47,903 like massage therapy 3119 01:21:47,945 --> 01:21:49,614 or physical therapy maybe. 3120 01:21:49,656 --> 01:21:53,117 [indistinct chattering] 3121 01:21:53,159 --> 01:21:57,872 I do have a plan for getting out 3122 01:21:53,159 --> 01:21:57,872 of porn and performing. 3123 01:21:57,913 --> 01:21:59,290 I'm actually a partner 3124 01:21:59,332 --> 01:22:01,501 in the agency 3125 01:21:59,332 --> 01:22:01,501 that I'm with right now. 3126 01:22:01,542 --> 01:22:04,170 And we have a production side. 3127 01:22:01,542 --> 01:22:04,170 It's called Vuluce. 3128 01:22:04,211 --> 01:22:06,589 And we'll be shooting 3129 01:22:04,211 --> 01:22:06,589 models for that 3130 01:22:06,631 --> 01:22:10,635 and doing fan sites 3131 01:22:06,631 --> 01:22:10,635 and all that good, fun stuff. 3132 01:22:10,677 --> 01:22:12,928 I want to have 3133 01:22:10,677 --> 01:22:12,928 a family one day. 3134 01:22:12,970 --> 01:22:15,515 So, definitely 3135 01:22:12,970 --> 01:22:15,515 on the right track 3136 01:22:15,556 --> 01:22:18,518 to succeeding for that. 3137 01:22:18,559 --> 01:22:20,186 So, I'm excited. 3138 01:22:22,938 --> 01:22:25,608 I got this fantasy job 3139 01:22:25,650 --> 01:22:29,153 that, you know, 3140 01:22:25,650 --> 01:22:29,153 I gotta step back 3141 01:22:25,650 --> 01:22:29,153 and kind of analyze this here 3142 01:22:29,195 --> 01:22:30,780 and say, 3143 01:22:29,195 --> 01:22:30,780 "Wait a minute. 3144 01:22:30,822 --> 01:22:34,200 "You know, I can 3145 01:22:30,822 --> 01:22:34,200 choose any woman, 3146 01:22:34,241 --> 01:22:37,829 you know, or I could ask 3147 01:22:34,241 --> 01:22:37,829 if I can have a scene with her." 3148 01:22:37,871 --> 01:22:43,000 And to know that 3149 01:22:37,871 --> 01:22:43,000 I'm gonna be with 3150 01:22:37,871 --> 01:22:43,000 most amazing women 3151 01:22:43,042 --> 01:22:46,921 is just kind of... 3152 01:22:43,042 --> 01:22:46,921 fantasy come true. 3153 01:22:46,962 --> 01:22:49,382 A lot of people have hang up 3154 01:22:46,962 --> 01:22:49,382 about me just doing girl/girls, 3155 01:22:49,423 --> 01:22:51,467 and oh, it's this, 3156 01:22:49,423 --> 01:22:51,467 it's fake and it's shit. 3157 01:22:51,509 --> 01:22:53,260 They can kiss my ass 3158 01:22:51,509 --> 01:22:53,260 'cause it's not. 3159 01:22:53,302 --> 01:22:55,179 I don't like, you know, 3160 01:22:53,302 --> 01:22:55,179 when a lot of the girl/girls 3161 01:22:55,221 --> 01:22:57,765 have the, you know, 3162 01:22:55,221 --> 01:22:57,765 touch tongues or this. 3163 01:22:57,807 --> 01:23:03,771 I want a connection where 3164 01:22:57,807 --> 01:23:03,771 we can hold tight and sweat 3165 01:23:03,813 --> 01:23:07,608 and... two become as one. 3166 01:23:07,650 --> 01:23:10,862 Life is gonna zoom on by 3167 01:23:10,904 --> 01:23:14,448 and... you know, 3168 01:23:14,490 --> 01:23:19,078 I want to grab and feel things 3169 01:23:14,490 --> 01:23:19,078 as much as I can now. 3170 01:23:19,119 --> 01:23:21,748 And I feel here 3171 01:23:19,119 --> 01:23:21,748 just recently, 3172 01:23:21,789 --> 01:23:23,583 I want to grab all this stuff. 3173 01:23:23,624 --> 01:23:25,084 And I'm almost in a panic. 3174 01:23:32,383 --> 01:23:35,929 It's been years 3175 01:23:32,383 --> 01:23:35,929 since I've been interviewed 3176 01:23:35,970 --> 01:23:38,347 or in front of a camera. 3177 01:23:38,389 --> 01:23:40,975 Ultimately, this whole industry 3178 01:23:41,016 --> 01:23:43,853 is a big, fucking 3179 01:23:41,016 --> 01:23:43,853 cop out on life. 3180 01:23:43,895 --> 01:23:46,063 You wake up, 3181 01:23:43,895 --> 01:23:46,063 you're 47 years old, 3182 01:23:46,105 --> 01:23:48,315 and you ain't got 3183 01:23:46,105 --> 01:23:48,315 a pot to piss in. 3184 01:23:48,357 --> 01:23:50,693 Great. 25 years. 3185 01:23:48,357 --> 01:23:50,693 Now what are you gonna do? 3186 01:23:50,735 --> 01:23:53,780 Okay, I... It's... 3187 01:23:53,821 --> 01:23:55,114 Now what? 3188 01:24:22,976 --> 01:24:25,686 I remember being 3189 01:24:22,976 --> 01:24:25,686 in my childhood house 3190 01:24:25,728 --> 01:24:29,356 and I'm thumbing through 3191 01:24:25,728 --> 01:24:29,356 a local PennySaver, 3192 01:24:29,398 --> 01:24:33,486 and I saw 3193 01:24:29,398 --> 01:24:33,486 an ad that said 3194 01:24:33,527 --> 01:24:36,823 "Wanted: figure models." 3195 01:24:36,864 --> 01:24:39,533 It was a test shoot 3196 01:24:36,864 --> 01:24:39,533 for Penthouse. 3197 01:24:39,575 --> 01:24:43,871 You know, I'm wearing 3198 01:24:39,575 --> 01:24:43,871 my grandmother's silk robe, 3199 01:24:43,913 --> 01:24:47,500 and I put on 3200 01:24:43,913 --> 01:24:47,500 some Lee press-on fingernails, 3201 01:24:47,541 --> 01:24:52,421 and we did some makeup 3202 01:24:47,541 --> 01:24:52,421 and went to Malibu Beach. 3203 01:24:52,463 --> 01:24:54,632 Test shot 3204 01:24:52,463 --> 01:24:54,632 and lo and behold, 3205 01:24:54,674 --> 01:24:58,845 it was the centerfold 3206 01:24:54,674 --> 01:24:58,845 for December '87. 3207 01:25:00,471 --> 01:25:02,431 I was pampered. 3208 01:25:02,473 --> 01:25:05,852 I was loved. 3209 01:25:02,473 --> 01:25:05,852 I was wanted. 3210 01:25:05,893 --> 01:25:09,396 From there is where 3211 01:25:05,893 --> 01:25:09,396 I met Andrew Blake. 3212 01:25:09,438 --> 01:25:12,483 And he asked me if I'd be 3213 01:25:09,438 --> 01:25:12,483 interested in triple-X. 3214 01:25:12,525 --> 01:25:14,318 At the time 3215 01:25:12,525 --> 01:25:14,318 I was married 3216 01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:16,737 and I said, "Yeah, I could 3217 01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:16,737 venture into triple-X 3218 01:25:16,779 --> 01:25:18,698 as long as it's women only." 3219 01:25:18,739 --> 01:25:21,826 You know, out of courtesy 3220 01:25:18,739 --> 01:25:21,826 for my husband at the time. 3221 01:25:21,868 --> 01:25:26,747 And lo and behold, 3222 01:25:21,868 --> 01:25:26,747 "Hidden Obsessions." 3223 01:25:26,789 --> 01:25:29,249 Julia Ann and myself were 3224 01:25:29,291 --> 01:25:33,170 at that same time dancing 3225 01:25:29,291 --> 01:25:33,170 as Blondage. 3226 01:25:33,212 --> 01:25:36,340 We were on the road and, 3227 01:25:33,212 --> 01:25:36,340 you know, I told her 3228 01:25:36,382 --> 01:25:39,010 about what has just happened 3229 01:25:39,052 --> 01:25:42,137 with, you know, being asked 3230 01:25:39,052 --> 01:25:42,137 to do "Hidden Obsessions." 3231 01:25:42,179 --> 01:25:44,557 And she came aboard 3232 01:25:42,179 --> 01:25:44,557 and then she and I did 3233 01:25:44,598 --> 01:25:48,102 the ice, the infamous 3234 01:25:44,598 --> 01:25:48,102 ice dildo scene, 3235 01:25:48,143 --> 01:25:50,145 and that won awards, and... 3236 01:25:52,314 --> 01:25:54,025 we were rockstars. 3237 01:25:54,067 --> 01:25:59,405 [rock music playing] 3238 01:25:59,446 --> 01:26:01,574 ♪ Come on over ♪ 3239 01:26:01,615 --> 01:26:04,159 ♪ Oh, honey, ooh, ooh ♪ 3240 01:26:04,201 --> 01:26:06,620 ♪ Said, "Come on over" ♪ 3241 01:26:06,662 --> 01:26:09,707 The bucks were flying in. 3242 01:26:09,749 --> 01:26:13,168 I was just buying cars 3243 01:26:09,749 --> 01:26:13,168 for my mom, 3244 01:26:13,210 --> 01:26:15,838 for my sister, 3245 01:26:13,210 --> 01:26:15,838 for this person, that person, 3246 01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:17,965 and big houses, 3247 01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:17,965 and a lot of stuff. 3248 01:26:18,007 --> 01:26:19,258 I didn't know 3249 01:26:18,007 --> 01:26:19,258 what to do with it all. 3250 01:26:19,299 --> 01:26:21,468 It happened so fast. 3251 01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:23,345 I wasn't prepared for it, 3252 01:26:23,387 --> 01:26:25,848 which led me into taxes. 3253 01:26:25,890 --> 01:26:27,767 I-- And-- [laughs] 3254 01:26:30,352 --> 01:26:32,855 [Man] 3255 01:26:30,352 --> 01:26:32,855 Porn star Janine Lindemulder 3256 01:26:30,352 --> 01:26:32,855 is facing federal criminal rap 3257 01:26:32,897 --> 01:26:35,775 for failing to pay 3258 01:26:32,897 --> 01:26:35,775 about $80,000 in income tax. 3259 01:26:35,816 --> 01:26:39,028 [Woman] 3260 01:26:35,816 --> 01:26:39,028 Lindemulder was named last month 3261 01:26:35,816 --> 01:26:39,028 in a misdemeanor accusing her 3262 01:26:39,070 --> 01:26:41,363 of stiffing the IRS 3263 01:26:39,070 --> 01:26:41,363 for taxes due 3264 01:26:41,405 --> 01:26:45,409 on more than $350,000 3265 01:26:41,405 --> 01:26:45,409 of income in 2004. 3266 01:26:45,451 --> 01:26:48,996 Went to prison, misdemeanor, 3267 01:26:49,038 --> 01:26:50,247 failure to-- 3268 01:26:50,289 --> 01:26:53,584 or willful failure 3269 01:26:50,289 --> 01:26:53,584 to pay back taxes. 3270 01:26:53,626 --> 01:26:56,462 That was kind of-- 3271 01:26:53,626 --> 01:26:56,462 that was the beginning 3272 01:26:56,503 --> 01:26:59,548 of... 3273 01:26:59,590 --> 01:27:02,176 an incredible... 3274 01:27:02,217 --> 01:27:04,971 life-altering nightmare. 3275 01:27:06,806 --> 01:27:10,434 [Woman] 3276 01:27:06,806 --> 01:27:10,434 Janine Lindemulder is now locked 3277 01:27:06,806 --> 01:27:10,434 in a bitter custody dispute 3278 01:27:10,476 --> 01:27:13,104 with Sandra Bullock 3279 01:27:10,476 --> 01:27:13,104 and her husband Jesse James. 3280 01:27:13,146 --> 01:27:15,314 [Woman 3281 01:27:13,146 --> 01:27:15,314 Janine Lindemulder says 3282 01:27:13,146 --> 01:27:15,314 she's a good mother 3283 01:27:15,355 --> 01:27:17,108 and her daughter 3284 01:27:15,355 --> 01:27:17,108 is her world. 3285 01:27:17,150 --> 01:27:19,777 But Bullock and her husband 3286 01:27:17,150 --> 01:27:19,777 Jesse James have accused her 3287 01:27:19,819 --> 01:27:22,113 of everything from drug use 3288 01:27:19,819 --> 01:27:22,113 to child neglect 3289 01:27:22,155 --> 01:27:23,823 and are seeking sole custody. 3290 01:27:23,864 --> 01:27:25,282 Now that Lindemulder 3291 01:27:23,864 --> 01:27:25,282 has finished 3292 01:27:25,324 --> 01:27:27,827 a six-month prison term 3293 01:27:25,324 --> 01:27:27,827 for tax evasion, 3294 01:27:27,868 --> 01:27:29,495 she wants her child back, 3295 01:27:29,536 --> 01:27:32,372 setting the power couple up 3296 01:27:29,536 --> 01:27:32,372 for a big fight. 3297 01:27:32,414 --> 01:27:36,460 [Lindemulder] 3298 01:27:32,414 --> 01:27:36,460 When the whole Sunny custody 3299 01:27:32,414 --> 01:27:36,460 thing is happening... 3300 01:27:38,587 --> 01:27:42,049 my ex had his lawyer, 3301 01:27:38,587 --> 01:27:42,049 high-priced lawyer. 3302 01:27:42,091 --> 01:27:44,677 I'm there, no lawyer... 3303 01:27:44,718 --> 01:27:48,055 totally confused 3304 01:27:44,718 --> 01:27:48,055 about the situation. 3305 01:27:48,097 --> 01:27:49,473 I'm tatted. 3306 01:27:49,515 --> 01:27:52,267 Judge is looking at 3307 01:27:49,515 --> 01:27:52,267 what my line of work is. 3308 01:27:52,309 --> 01:27:54,187 At one point, 3309 01:27:52,309 --> 01:27:54,187 she put her papers down, 3310 01:27:54,228 --> 01:27:56,313 looked me square 3311 01:27:54,228 --> 01:27:56,313 in the eyes and said, 3312 01:27:56,355 --> 01:28:00,609 you know, "What happened 3313 01:27:56,355 --> 01:28:00,609 to you in your childhood 3314 01:28:00,651 --> 01:28:03,278 to make you 3315 01:28:00,651 --> 01:28:03,278 the way you are?" 3316 01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,405 And, you know, 3317 01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,405 she sized me up. 3318 01:28:05,447 --> 01:28:08,283 She saw the tattoos, 3319 01:28:05,447 --> 01:28:08,283 she sees that you're 3320 01:28:05,447 --> 01:28:08,283 a porn star, 3321 01:28:08,325 --> 01:28:10,995 and it was pretty much 3322 01:28:08,325 --> 01:28:10,995 a done deal. 3323 01:28:13,914 --> 01:28:16,917 She... 3324 01:28:16,959 --> 01:28:23,382 without even giving me 3325 01:28:16,959 --> 01:28:23,382 an opportunity to state my case, 3326 01:28:23,423 --> 01:28:25,634 I lost her. 3327 01:28:27,136 --> 01:28:29,805 Being in the industry, 3328 01:28:27,136 --> 01:28:29,805 being heavily tattooed 3329 01:28:29,847 --> 01:28:34,476 definitely changed 3330 01:28:29,847 --> 01:28:34,476 the course of my life. 3331 01:28:34,518 --> 01:28:35,769 You know. 3332 01:28:35,811 --> 01:28:39,439 The longer I was away 3333 01:28:35,811 --> 01:28:39,439 from my daughter, 3334 01:28:39,481 --> 01:28:43,527 the darker my world became. 3335 01:28:43,569 --> 01:28:47,781 I then found 3336 01:28:43,569 --> 01:28:47,781 myself heavily medicated. 3337 01:28:47,823 --> 01:28:52,245 You know, doctors prescribed 3338 01:28:47,823 --> 01:28:52,245 anti-depressants, 3339 01:28:52,286 --> 01:28:58,042 anti-anxiety, 3340 01:28:52,286 --> 01:28:58,042 and then pain pills 3341 01:28:52,286 --> 01:28:58,042 came into play. 3342 01:28:58,084 --> 01:29:00,961 Vicodin, absolutely 3343 01:28:58,084 --> 01:29:00,961 drug of choice. 3344 01:29:01,003 --> 01:29:03,297 Poppin' those tings like candy. 3345 01:29:03,338 --> 01:29:07,467 And just anything 3346 01:29:03,338 --> 01:29:07,467 to alleviate 3347 01:29:07,509 --> 01:29:12,014 some of the anguish 3348 01:29:07,509 --> 01:29:12,014 that I felt. 3349 01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:18,729 I found myself... 3350 01:29:18,771 --> 01:29:20,814 and this is tough to say, 3351 01:29:20,856 --> 01:29:22,149 but, homeless. 3352 01:29:22,191 --> 01:29:25,986 Homeless in my van 3353 01:29:22,191 --> 01:29:25,986 with my cat, 3354 01:29:26,028 --> 01:29:29,448 just trying to make sense 3355 01:29:26,028 --> 01:29:29,448 of what's happened. 3356 01:29:29,489 --> 01:29:31,951 Having my daughter 3357 01:29:29,489 --> 01:29:31,951 pulled out of my life 3358 01:29:31,992 --> 01:29:33,119 in such a... 3359 01:29:36,747 --> 01:29:38,373 harsh manner. 3360 01:29:38,415 --> 01:29:40,042 You know, there was 3361 01:29:38,415 --> 01:29:40,042 no phone calls. 3362 01:29:40,084 --> 01:29:41,752 There was-- I couldn't 3363 01:29:40,084 --> 01:29:41,752 tell her I love her. 3364 01:29:41,794 --> 01:29:44,130 You know, "I'm sorry, 3365 01:29:41,794 --> 01:29:44,130 I don't know what's happening. 3366 01:29:44,171 --> 01:29:45,339 I'm trying to get to you." 3367 01:29:45,380 --> 01:29:47,424 Everything was so confused 3368 01:29:47,466 --> 01:29:51,929 and I felt like 3369 01:29:47,466 --> 01:29:51,929 I was at a point of... 3370 01:29:54,514 --> 01:29:55,641 I want to check out. 3371 01:29:55,682 --> 01:29:58,393 I want to check out. 3372 01:29:55,682 --> 01:29:58,393 I can't deal. 3373 01:29:58,435 --> 01:30:00,604 I don't have the tools. 3374 01:30:00,646 --> 01:30:03,440 When Janine was going through 3375 01:30:00,646 --> 01:30:03,440 what she went through 3376 01:30:03,482 --> 01:30:05,985 with Jesse 3377 01:30:03,482 --> 01:30:05,985 and the loss of Sunny, 3378 01:30:06,026 --> 01:30:08,362 I thought I was gonna lose her. 3379 01:30:08,403 --> 01:30:11,324 I thought I was gonna lose her. 3380 01:30:13,408 --> 01:30:15,119 And because she suffered, 3381 01:30:15,161 --> 01:30:18,664 she suffered so, 3382 01:30:15,161 --> 01:30:18,664 so deeply. 3383 01:30:18,705 --> 01:30:20,457 You know, I couldn't get 3384 01:30:18,705 --> 01:30:20,457 the knife out. 3385 01:30:20,499 --> 01:30:22,709 I couldn't make it right. 3386 01:30:22,751 --> 01:30:25,545 Everything I tried, 3387 01:30:22,751 --> 01:30:25,545 it was not enough. 3388 01:30:25,587 --> 01:30:27,381 To replace Sunny... 3389 01:30:29,842 --> 01:30:32,511 was all I wanted to do, 3390 01:30:29,842 --> 01:30:32,511 was get her back 3391 01:30:32,552 --> 01:30:34,347 and get her 3392 01:30:32,552 --> 01:30:34,347 in her arms again, 3393 01:30:34,388 --> 01:30:37,057 and we just 3394 01:30:34,388 --> 01:30:37,057 didn't have the power. 3395 01:30:37,099 --> 01:30:39,852 We didn't have what, 3396 01:30:37,099 --> 01:30:39,852 you know, he had 3397 01:30:39,893 --> 01:30:43,605 as far as power and money, 3398 01:30:39,893 --> 01:30:43,605 and, you know. 3399 01:30:43,647 --> 01:30:45,440 He's an unworthy father and... 3400 01:30:47,109 --> 01:30:51,446 I finally have the nerve 3401 01:30:47,109 --> 01:30:51,446 to call a suicide hotline. 3402 01:30:51,488 --> 01:30:53,157 Call 'em up, I said, 3403 01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:55,117 "Man, I don't know 3404 01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:55,117 what's happening here. 3405 01:30:55,159 --> 01:30:56,994 I need to talk 3406 01:30:55,159 --> 01:30:56,994 to somebody." 3407 01:30:57,036 --> 01:31:01,207 And funny but sad, 3408 01:31:01,248 --> 01:31:04,084 the woman picks up the phone 3409 01:31:01,248 --> 01:31:04,084 and she says, 3410 01:31:04,126 --> 01:31:07,963 "We're really sorry, 3411 01:31:04,126 --> 01:31:07,963 but the doctor's not in." 3412 01:31:08,005 --> 01:31:10,757 And I'm like, 3413 01:31:08,005 --> 01:31:10,757 "Are you fucking kidding me? 3414 01:31:10,799 --> 01:31:13,177 Okay. All right, 3415 01:31:10,799 --> 01:31:13,177 I'll call back." 3416 01:31:13,219 --> 01:31:17,181 So, I'm kind of laughing, 3417 01:31:13,219 --> 01:31:17,181 crying at this point 3418 01:31:17,223 --> 01:31:20,184 and right then and there, 3419 01:31:17,223 --> 01:31:20,184 I said, "Okay. 3420 01:31:20,226 --> 01:31:22,936 Enough is enough. 3421 01:31:20,226 --> 01:31:22,936 I've got to pull this together." 3422 01:31:27,441 --> 01:31:28,567 I went to rehab. 3423 01:31:28,608 --> 01:31:31,695 I was in rehab 3424 01:31:28,608 --> 01:31:31,695 for a month. 3425 01:31:31,737 --> 01:31:33,906 And everybody at this point 3426 01:31:33,947 --> 01:31:35,282 thought I was 3427 01:31:33,947 --> 01:31:35,282 just out of my mind. 3428 01:31:35,324 --> 01:31:37,201 "Oh, she's a meth head. 3429 01:31:35,324 --> 01:31:37,201 Oh, she's on crack." 3430 01:31:37,243 --> 01:31:39,286 No, no, I'm lost. 3431 01:31:39,328 --> 01:31:45,418 I'm fucking heartbroken 3432 01:31:39,328 --> 01:31:45,418 beyond words. 3433 01:31:45,459 --> 01:31:47,461 At the same time, 3434 01:31:47,502 --> 01:31:51,131 I'm subjecting myself 3435 01:31:47,502 --> 01:31:51,131 to looking on the Internet 3436 01:31:51,173 --> 01:31:53,426 and looking at people 3437 01:31:51,173 --> 01:31:53,426 comparing me 3438 01:31:53,467 --> 01:31:56,470 to America's sweetheart, 3439 01:31:53,467 --> 01:31:56,470 Sandra Bullock, saying, 3440 01:31:56,511 --> 01:31:59,139 "Well, Janine deserves 3441 01:31:56,511 --> 01:31:59,139 to lose her kid. 3442 01:31:59,181 --> 01:32:02,642 She's this cracked out, 3443 01:31:59,181 --> 01:32:02,642 you know, porn whore." 3444 01:32:02,684 --> 01:32:08,023 And, you know, 3445 01:32:02,684 --> 01:32:08,023 "Sandra Bullock is, you know, 3446 01:32:02,684 --> 01:32:08,023 the best thing for Sunny." 3447 01:32:08,065 --> 01:32:10,317 And it-- that's just 3448 01:32:08,065 --> 01:32:10,317 bringing me down. 3449 01:32:10,359 --> 01:32:12,986 And I'm going, 3450 01:32:10,359 --> 01:32:12,986 "How am I gonna do this?" 3451 01:32:15,364 --> 01:32:18,409 Do I want my daughter 3452 01:32:15,364 --> 01:32:18,409 to do what I've done? 3453 01:32:18,451 --> 01:32:20,453 Fuck no. 3454 01:32:20,494 --> 01:32:22,204 No way. 3455 01:32:22,246 --> 01:32:24,415 [applause] 3456 01:32:40,806 --> 01:32:43,600 I'm still-- 3457 01:32:40,806 --> 01:32:43,600 I'm in limbo. 3458 01:32:43,642 --> 01:32:47,438 I don't know 3459 01:32:43,642 --> 01:32:47,438 what the future holds. 3460 01:32:51,150 --> 01:32:52,734 Do I go back to school? 3461 01:32:52,776 --> 01:32:54,487 Am I gonna be a waitress? 3462 01:32:54,528 --> 01:32:55,612 I don't know. 3463 01:32:55,654 --> 01:32:57,114 It's really kind of a... 3464 01:32:58,365 --> 01:33:01,327 an odd time 3465 01:32:58,365 --> 01:33:01,327 of my life right now. 3466 01:33:01,368 --> 01:33:03,370 I'm trying to figure that out 3467 01:33:03,412 --> 01:33:05,956 and, you know, 3468 01:33:03,412 --> 01:33:05,956 make my next move. 3469 01:33:08,292 --> 01:33:12,754 I've gotta have 3470 01:33:08,292 --> 01:33:12,754 the backbone to do it. 3471 01:33:12,796 --> 01:33:14,589 You know. 3472 01:33:14,631 --> 01:33:17,092 So far... 3473 01:33:17,134 --> 01:33:18,802 I don't. 3474 01:33:18,844 --> 01:33:21,472 I don't have it. 3475 01:33:21,514 --> 01:33:23,640 But it's getting there, 3476 01:33:21,514 --> 01:33:23,640 you know. 3477 01:33:23,682 --> 01:33:25,184 It's a work in progress. 3478 01:33:38,197 --> 01:33:41,158 [instrumental music playing] 3479 01:36:33,580 --> 01:36:35,582 [instrumental 3480 01:36:33,580 --> 01:36:35,582 music continuing]